Lewis Cook

Garbo said:
....I would put Mings ahead of Francis now tbh....and Cook ahead of Surman....
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Dodgy balance though with a left footer slotting in at RCB. Imo that's the only reason Francis gets the nod for that position, which he is restricted to now. He's already lost RB and CB and limited to a single position in a certain formation we don't always use.
 
Can't really fault Surman or Gosling at the moment other than the fact they are Surman and Gosling .

Until we get a few more spankings (Nov & Dec look nailed on for that ) I'm struggling to get that excited over Cook not starting. I'm sure he's being nurtured though Neil ..It's some time since you've metaphorically challenged the forum;)
 
RobTrent said:
This is ND though. Take one example of where he thinks we are not nurturing top talent and twist into a blanket approach of Eddies strategy.
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Seriously? Who else have I said he hasn’t nurtured?

You either think Cook is better than Surman.......or you need to see an eye specialist. I agree Cook may be off form...but a management teams job is to get talent on form. Also...if they have a long established history of playing people back into form they should do it with their best players.

To me it’s quite simple. Putting pressure on him to perform in a team with eleven changes is wrong in my opinion. Particularly when you look at previous cup defeats to championship sides which have seen many poor performances from players who shine in a settled first team.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Seriously? Who else have I said he hasn’t nurtured?

You either think Cook is better than Surman.......or you need to see an eye specialist. I agree Cook may be off form...but a management teams job is to get talent on form. Also...if they have a long established history of playing people back into form they should do it with their best players.

To me it’s quite simple. Putting pressure on him to perform in a team with eleven changes is wrong in my opinion. Particularly when you look at previous cup defeats to championship sides which have seen many poor performances from players who shine in a settled first team.
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It's the apparent suggestion that a team should be picked based on who is the better players on paper rather than who is best on form. If you forget about everything other than how they have played in pre season and since then Gosling is currently first midfielder on the teamsheet. Surman and Lerma next then Cook.

We might have played people back into form before but there has never been the level of competition we have currently in that position.

I agree about judging too harshly on tonight though - that said he needs to make sure he doesn't give the ball away in silly positions.
 
"It’s s shame we are not nurturing top talent".

Either you're saying we don't have any other top talent or we don't nurture it. There were no exceptions in your statement.

Eddie gets it right more than you do, I don't need an eye specialist to see that ;-)
 
"I agree Cook may be off form...but a management teams job is to get talent on form"

which eh is no doubt trying to do behind the scenes, rather than exposing an off form lewis cook in a 2 man midfield for premier league games where his errors would get punished far more heavily, he'd be blamed for goals conceded being his fault and his confidence would be hit even further

that's what would be poor management
 
The 'Flavour of the Decade' aura being created by the 'starstruck select' fans around Lewis Cook is doing neither the club nor Lewis any favours. Neither is Salivating or Creaming their jeans at the very sight of Mr Southgate any where near Kings Park!
Christ.. please stop this Celebrity Culture infesting our Sane existence as a football club! It's driving me nuts ( didn't take much I know).
Ive recently watched a few non league games down here in Cornwall... many of the players are rejects from Plymouth and Exeter youth schemes. One of them impressed me with his skills..very similar to Pugh....he told me the often heard reason " Plymouth said I wasn't physical enough for Pro football". He also told me that he had
played against Surridge two years back and thought he was brilliant but might need to be more physical! It's a fine line on that score....now he gets a £40.00 match fee sponsored by a local Farm Clothing shop and petrol allowance for driving from Plymouth...Lewis is on £30,000 a week!
I think some fans get a notion about a player and then the mere ' name ' becomes a 'stigma' instead of judging each performance.
I.e Ake is always brilliant and Gosling always sh##e!
The Gosling' thing' really irks me! I just get the feeling, daft as it seems that if he has a good game, scores the winner and you altered his name to Gosaldo or Gosamino you would have a silly Mania attached to his selection! Or Lerma scored an own goal with a name like Lemming he would get Crucified.
My dad would go into a Rage if John Archer was on the field in 1963 but Jimmy Singer was God...it didn't matter about Performances! Singer had come from Birmingham and played in Euro Ties and Archer from Port Vale...that was 'it' for Dad!
 
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West Moors Cherry said:
You might want to put that slant on it DJ, personally I don't think Eddie always gets it quite right.
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It’s a “slant” that was discussed throughout at this exact time last season at length. Personally I think it’s an idea that is perfectly plausible.

SlowDownDerek said:
Mings doesn't play on the right though.
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Tried to cover this idea the last time it was brought up.

https://bournemouth-forum.vitalfoot...e-thing-puzzles-me-slightly.6864/#post-205965
 
blandford_cherry said:
Thing is for example Mings can play as well as he likes, score 2 or 3, keep a clean sheet, he man of the match and he still wouldn’t get in the league team. It’s just a one off game for a few of the players tonight regardless of performance.
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He’s back up for Nathan Ake, it’s a tough gig.

Artur Boruc could have a blinder, but I wouldn’t expect him to get in the side for Palace either.
 
It’s true about Ming’s ! How the hell can he unseat a player like Ake ....what terrible problems we have at AFCB .Too many good players .
 
SlowDownDerek said:
It's the apparent suggestion that a team should be picked based on who is the better players on paper rather than who is best on form.
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Yes that’s it, best XI for every game regardless of form, fitness and opposition.

I just don’t know why Howe hasn’t done this since the League Two days.
 
Silent AFCB said:
Please give us some stats to back up Cook playing right now instead of Surman, we've given you pass completion statistics and you're all just shouting a little bit louder. Are you going to stamp your feet next? 9 pages with no stats.
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Mmmm.. yes I'm almost stamping.
You've given us one stat on one match (EFC) where Lewis was sub ie he only had 14 mins, time for just 9 passes Very weak biased evidence IMO.

Here is a stat (you chose not to include) Lewis made 100% pass completion against WHU & Chelsea both times as a sub, being fair & unbiased I wouldn't claim this as evidence either.

HOWEVER I would say that Surman has had a decent run in the side & the following reflects his performances.

Surman Since Cardiff 256 minutes playing time has contributed.
3 Tackles won
1 Shot
3 Aerials Won
1 Key Pass
No Dribbles

Where as Lewis Cook since Cardiff Just 30 minutes playing time (less than an eighth of Surmans) has contributed.
1 Shot
1 Aerial won &
3 Dribbles

You seem obsessed with Stats after only quoting one biased one, you then asked for some to support Cook which is why I have provided some. Personally I think there is a lot more to football than stats even though I do not feel the above stacks up to well for Surman considering mins played.

I do feel however the majority of Bmth fans feel Lewis Cook should be having a run in the side which is all we are saying.
 
DJ said:
He’s back up for Nathan Ake, it’s a tough gig.

Artur Boruc could have a blinder, but I wouldn’t expect him to get in the side for Palace either.
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So your saying unless Ake is dropped or injured,Mings won't get a start in the premier as that is all he is there for as back up for Ake.Surely if need be he could play left side of a back three with Ake central and Cook on the right,that's if Francis is out or swap Francis for Cook if he is out
 
Hillviewred said:
So your saying unless Ake is dropped or injured,Mings won't get a start in the premier as that is all he is there for as back up for Ake.Surely if need be he could play left side of a back three with Ake central and Cook on the right,that's if Francis is out or swap Francis for Cook if he is out
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It's an interesting debate. Personally I think Cook looks weaker on the right of a back three so Cook Ake Mings is not as strong as Franno Cook Ake
 
SlowDownDerek said:
It's an interesting debate. Personally I think Cook looks weaker on the right of a back three so Cook Ake Mings is not as strong as Franno Cook Ake
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Yes but my question is,can Mings play as a left side of a back three if Cook or Francis are out injured.Ill answer that,of course he can,he's not there for the sole purpose of Ake being out.Yes he's the ideal replacement forAke,but he can do the other job
 
Hillviewred said:
So your saying unless Ake is dropped or injured,Mings won't get a start in the premier as that is all he is there for as back up for Ake.Surely if need be he could play left side of a back three with Ake central and Cook on the right,that's if Francis is out or swap Francis for Cook if he is out
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Ironically if you clicked the link I did make the same point...
 
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