Non: Chelsea: double jab or -ve test for home games.

Is such a difficult one. Personally, I'm pleased because I'm double vaccinated and don't want to get Covid or to pass it onto others, but I understand the other side. There are people who are unable to have vaccines on health grounds. Also, parents may worry about their 12+ kids having the vaccine as there hasn't been much research on this yet. If you feel like that, and your kid can't go to a match because of it, that probably feels very harsh.

I think if you work in the health sector, then yes, definicely, this kind of policy is correct but for a football match, where people choose to attend.....?

I don't know what the right answer is really....
 
billythekid said:
Depends if you agree with the second para below, I think this is all Chelsea are doing and all about opinions, but on this occasion I agree with Chelsea and Gove.


The Cabinet Office minister, Michael Gove, has said domestic Covid passports are “the right way to go” for some venues so “people can be confident that those who are attending those events are less likely to be carriers of the virus”, specifically referring to Premier League football matches.

He said that if businesses “required a certain level of safety” from customers, then people who refused to get vaccinated should not be surprised if they were “barred” – accusing them of “putting other people’s health and lives at risk” and calling them “selfish”.

The use of vaccine passports could also be introduced in football’s lower leagues as well as other sports in England in an attempt to reduce the spread of the virus following the end of restrictions.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-to-show-proof-of-covid-jabs-to-go-to-matches
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...claim-gove-covid-vaccine-refusers-are-selfish
 
Please remember we aren't just talking about anti-vaxxers. There are people for whom vaccines haven't (yet) been approved. How many there may be in the AFCB fanbase I haven't a clue, but the club are hardly going to have people's medical history on the database alongside their cup points tally. Asking people for that information is very shaky on information security grounds.

I'm also uncomfortable with the idea of making the jab socially mandated. Happy as I am to be double jabbed in the near future myself, with my family likewise. I would implore anyone I could to get themselves jabbed along JCVI guidance.

Personally speaking though, if the bloke next to me in the concourse queue doesn't have the jabs, for whatever reason, is that my or AFCB's business?

A negative rapid test of the morning might help with people's fears, though the administration of proving that could be problematic. And for for long? A few months, the season, the next few seasons? It's a tricky issue.
 
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zigger zaggar said:
It is more our dear right wingers that believe in less Covid restrictions and people's "freedoms" above the health of the populace Bill.
And why is this in italics????
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Possibly more on the Right where you are( and I did say 'other' ..but I'm not so sure about down here...just as many lefties rebelling...it just seems people are 'politisizing' anything that occurs in life daily and blaming their opponents across the divide...lots of Brexit 'afters ' going on ?
Poor ol Covid News...there to be manipulated !
Not sure how the Italics figure ? They are not in My Post!
 
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@Gloria Hunter and @northstandmark a negative test is an alternative.

It's fine for someone to touch your junk because they think your concealing an inflatable but showing proof of vaccination or a negative test is where you draw the line?
 
StewieJT said:
It's discriminatory to ask people to prove a negative test for covid?
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It's a choice to have the jab or not. People shouldn't then be asked to pay for a (unreliable) test to prove they don't have viral debris lying around.

The jab doesn't make you any less likely to be a carrier. It makes you less ill if you got it.

Given this will be around forever and we'll have to live with it, do you suppose venues will be asking for our papers ad infinitum? Where does it end?
 
fritter said:
Unless the test is administered at the ground it means nothing. Tests at home are self reported so it's down to trust and honesty.
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Absolutely Fritter, I went to the three England knock out games in the Euros at Wembley and yes we had to show "evidence" of a recent (within the last two days) negative test but this evidence was an email or text from NHS confirming the result I told them! I could easily not have even bothered to take a test at all but reported a negative result and there's my evidence!
World beating test, track and trace system my 4rse!
 
stuseddon said:
It's a choice to have the jab or not. People shouldn't then be asked to pay for a (unreliable) test to prove they don't have viral debris lying around.

The jab doesn't make you any less likely to be a carrier. It makes you less ill if you got it.

Given this will be around forever and we'll have to live with it, do you suppose venues will be asking for our papers ad infinitum? Where does it end?
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The test is free. The vaccine does actually build immunity to the virus.

I think it will continue for a few months until the second shots have been finished.
 
StewieJT said:
The test is free. The vaccine does actually build immunity to the virus.

I think it will continue for a few months until the second shots have been finished.
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Does it really? How many double jabs do you think we need before it builds immunity for everyone? the whole 65m population of the UK? Pretty useless then- in an immunity sense if we look at previous viral infections.
Times have progressed medically but people still survived the Black Death but no one will survive COVID unless we all get double jabbed.

We should all wear masks aswell even though the rules have relaxed as breathing fresh air down the street or the air con inside a shop is clearly unhealthy compared to a mask that collects thousands of bacteria a second.
 
billythekid said:
Unfortunately too late for this young person.

A 34-year-old Covid vaccine sceptic who said if he could ‘turn back time he would’ has died just weeks after falling ill with the virus.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/27/vacc...covid-while-wishing-hed-had-the-jab-14994686/
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With respect to the bloke he didn't look healthy, hard to say if it's obesity or Roids but it's one of them. Normally those 2 will put pressure on your heart and you will go cardiac arrest, seen bigger people survive it, again could be another manipulated figure, all too common now, test positive of covid die in a car crash 3 weeks after you go down as COVID death.

Do you know you can die of shock Billy? It's actually one of the biggest killers of all humans but often gets thrown in with other ailments.
 
AFCBfan said:
I'm not sure you call call this discriminatory. Non-vaccinated people aren't a protected characteristic. Some of them could claim discrimination on the basis of their beliefs, I suppose.


Legal obligations:

AFC Bournemouth is committed to avoiding and eliminating unfair discrimination of any kind and will not, under any circumstances, condone unlawful discriminatory practices.

Discrimination refers to unfavourable treatment on the basis of particular characteristics, which are known as the ‘protected characteristics’. Under the Equality Act 2010, the protected characteristics are defined as;

Age – A person belonging to a particular age (e.g. 32 year olds) or a range of ages (e.g. 18-30 year olds).

Disability – A person has a disability if they have a physical or mental impairment which has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on that person’s ability to carry out normal day to day activities.

Gender reassignment – The process of transitioning from one gender to another.

Marriage and civil partnership – Marriage is a union between a man and a woman or between same-sex couples. Same-sex couples can also have their relationships legally recognised as ‘civil partnerships’. Civil partners must not be treated less favourably than married couples (except where permitted by the Equality Act 2010).

Pregnancy and maternity – Pregnancy is the condition of being pregnant or expecting a baby. Maternity refers to the period after the birth and is linked to maternity leave in the employment context. In the non-work context, protection against maternity discrimination is for 26 weeks after giving birth, and this includes treating a woman unfavourably because she is breastfeeding.

Race – Refers to the protected characteristic of race. It refers to a group of people defined by their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origins.

Religion or belief – Religion refers to any religion, including a lack of religion. Belief refers to any religious or philosophical belief and includes a lack of belief. Generally, a belief should affect your life choices or the way you live for it to be included in the definition.

Sex – A man or a woman.

Sexual orientation – Whether a person's sexual attraction is towards their own sex, the opposite sex or to both sexes.
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Protected characteristic - Seems there's something in this!:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1420882200053133319
https://twitter.com/x/status/1420835475787485187

Though the one or two vegans I know have been jabbed. Don't know if we've any on here?
 
fritter said:
Unless the test is administered at the ground it means nothing. Tests at home are self reported so it's down to trust and honesty.
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I agree, I've always felt this is the gaping hole in the testing debate. Self-testing is a joke. Are you telling me that if you have purchased a ticket for some event your are going to select the Positive button when you register your test? "Oh dear I can't go now".
Regardless of the testing situation, I was shocked at how many people didn't even wear a mask at the Chelsea game this week. Seems like a relatively simple thing to do.
 
stuseddon said:
The jab doesn't make you any less likely to be a carrier. It makes you less ill if you got it.
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People I know keep making this argument and it's very much a half truth. Yes you can still carry if jabbed but will have a far smaller (lower?) viral load. That means a vaccinated carrier will pass on far less virus, meaning there will be less virus in the air or in the flob or whatever. Less virus/virus more greatly diluted by air means other people are less likely to get sick.

If you're unvaccinated you will likely generate a greater viral load and will almost certainly make people around you more ill than if you weren't vaccinated or be more likely to infect other people.

You have the right not to have a vaccine but people around should also have the right not to have to stand near you. Like, if you **************** your pants you shouldn't expect to be let in to a pub to sit on their bar stools or be in close proximity to others who can smell you.
 
dobbstar said:
I agree, I've always felt this is the gaping hole in the testing debate. Self-testing is a joke. Are you telling me that if you have purchased a ticket for some event your are going to select the Positive button when you register your test? "Oh dear I can't go now".
Regardless of the testing situation, I was shocked at how many people didn't even wear a mask at the Chelsea game this week. Seems like a relatively simple thing to do.
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Like Chelsea taking their own action re double vaccinations, our club could have done the same re masks as it is in a crowded area even though outside.

The best thing to do is get a medically tested mask that gives you very good protection and not just the other person protection, even if someone hasn’t got a mask near you.

They are normally recommended one time use.

Sky

Nearly all Britons are still wearing face masks in public places – ONS

Some 95% of people in Britain still wore face coverings while outside their homes last week, according to the Office for National Statistics.

And 89% of adults felt that wearing face masks to help stop the spread of COVID is either very important or important.

The findings are similar to those from the previous week's survey, conducted before most legal restrictions in England were eased on 19 July.

Face coverings are now no longer mandatory in shops and on most public transport in England, but the Government has said it "expects and recommends" that people continue to do so in crowded areas.
 
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