Tindall/Parker Dejavu

It has to be about 15/20 games before the Manager Manglers get really serious.

Two perfectly suited guys JT and JW..got rushed out/flushed out by Elitism.
JT got half a season....but deserved a full one for his previous service to the club...he only hit a bad patch as all managers do, including EH, Klopp and Solskjaer as examples.
JW almost cracked a rise back to the PL..after a short reign...but impatience from the club hierarchy and from the Forum kicked in......now SP is on thin ice from the Forums 'experts' after 5 league games. (Ok - and the annual Mickey Mouse cup exit which many clubs, players and their fans are not bothered with anyway! )
The expectation level should only really have been play- offs again...unless there is a chance of WBA and Fulham faltering for one reason or another.
Maybe a win v Barnsley and a continued unbeaten run....will cement us in for a probable play- off punt in May...under this manager.
Then ...we could find ourselves in the PL with an 11,000 capacity ground....
I think some of the Forum need a dose of Reality....maybe get ol Minty back somehow...maybe I should'na have frightened him off...
 
It has to be about 15/20 games before the Manager Manglers get really serious.

Two perfectly suited guys JT and JW..got rushed out/flushed out by Elitism.
JT got half a season....but deserved a full one for his previous service to the club...he only hit a bad patch as all managers do, including EH, Klopp and Solskjaer as examples.
JW almost cracked a rise back to the PL..after a short reign...but impatience from the club hierarchy and from the Forum kicked in......now SP is on thin ice from the Forums 'experts' after 5 league games. (Ok - and the annual Mickey Mouse cup exit which many clubs, players and their fans are not bothered with anyway! )
The expectation level should only really have been play- offs again...unless there is a chance of WBA and Fulham faltering for one reason or another.
Maybe a win v Barnsley and a continued unbeaten run....will cement us in for a probable play- off punt in May...under this manager.
Then ...we could find ourselves in the PL with an 11,000 capacity ground....
I think some of the Forum need a dose of Reality....maybe get ol Minty back somehow...maybe I should'na have frightened him off...
Is he under pressure though? I don’t read it as that. No thread calling for his dismissal. Just lots of people saying they are pleased we are unbeaten but not feeling very entertained..
 
It has to be about 15/20 games before the Manager Manglers get really serious.

Two perfectly suited guys JT and JW..got rushed out/flushed out by Elitism.
JT got half a season....but deserved a full one for his previous service to the club...he only hit a bad patch as all managers do, including EH, Klopp and Solskjaer as examples.
JW almost cracked a rise back to the PL..after a short reign...but impatience from the club hierarchy and from the Forum kicked in......now SP is on thin ice from the Forums 'experts' after 5 league games. (Ok - and the annual Mickey Mouse cup exit which many clubs, players and their fans are not bothered with anyway! )
The expectation level should only really have been play- offs again...unless there is a chance of WBA and Fulham faltering for one reason or another.
Maybe a win v Barnsley and a continued unbeaten run....will cement us in for a probable play- off punt in May...under this manager.
Then ...we could find ourselves in the PL with an 11,000 capacity ground....
I think some of the Forum need a dose of Reality....maybe get ol Minty back somehow...maybe I should'na have frightened him off...

I'm not calling for him to be sacked at all. Was just saying I've noticed some parralells with how JT started last season.
 
JT wasn't allowed to sign anyone....the only difference between in terms of quality between last season and this is Danjuma and we actually put in some our best performances without him.

The main difference between JT and Parker is that JT would have potentially lost that game yesterday trying to win it.....Parker is never going to do that......we have a low risk pragmatic manager.
I agree with you regarding being happy in the Championship ....but I want to enjoy it ...so I'll always prefer a Manager who will risk losing a game trying to win rather than one who takes every point as a prisoner.
Agree would rather try and win it, but do not think we had the players on the bench to come on and win it for us, we have no Depth in the squad at the moment
 
JT started last season with a squad of players that he knew very well and who were all familiar with him. He had them playing in a tweaked style that would also have been recognisable to then, no doubt with a lot of training drills they also knew. His team was mostly all fit and available.

SP came into a team where he had some knowledge of the squad but most of them turned out to be injured/unavailable.

He's been forced into picking players he'd never even heard of before with zero Championship starts between them. They've done well but in the context of being youngsters.

He's been forced into picking players out of position. The only manager I've seen do well in that situation is EH, and let's be honest he was a freak.

He's had a bench that contained zero AFCB league minutes of experience across all the players. That must be the least experienced bench we've had in our history, even in the dark days.

Let's not forget they weren't even the first choice of the youngsters, since those were starting.

As one player has come back, we've lost another making building partnerships and consistency more difficult. Plus it often takes a player a few games to properly get into the groove after a layoff.

He's been let down by the board who sold his only backup striker and have yet to recruit a replacement. Hopefully the board redeem themselves on that front.

As I see it, this period up to the international break should be viewed like an extended preseason. A freebie. I'm happy we have points and haven't been completely left behind.

It hasn't been great but put it into context.

I hope the break gives us a chance to get more players back, bring in reinforcements and to bed those into the system. Then we can start to judge.

Drawing too many conclusions on what's happened so far is way too premature.
 
It has to be about 15/20 games before the Manager Manglers get really serious.

Two perfectly suited guys JT and JW..got rushed out/flushed out by Elitism.
JT got half a season....but deserved a full one for his previous service to the club...he only hit a bad patch as all managers do, including EH, Klopp and Solskjaer as examples.
JW almost cracked a rise back to the PL..after a short reign...but impatience from the club hierarchy and from the Forum kicked in......now SP is on thin ice from the Forums 'experts' after 5 league games. (Ok - and the annual Mickey Mouse cup exit which many clubs, players and their fans are not bothered with anyway! )
The expectation level should only really have been play- offs again...unless there is a chance of WBA and Fulham faltering for one reason or another.
Maybe a win v Barnsley and a continued unbeaten run....will cement us in for a probable play- off punt in May...under this manager.
Then ...we could find ourselves in the PL with an 11,000 capacity ground....
I think some of the Forum need a dose of Reality....maybe get ol Minty back somehow...maybe I should'na have frightened him off...
All entitled to a view of course but we are clearly poles apart
 
Why would we judge after 23 games? This is who we are now as a club. Tindall wasn't given enough time, Woodgate wasn't given enough time. If Parker can't turn it around by Jan even though he hasn't been able to bring in the players he needs then he'll be straight out the door via a chorus of booing fans.

Don’t wait 23 then but after 5 with a depleted team is really clutching at straws.
 
Agree sleeves rolled up that can entertain, but they are a rare breed. What we wouldn't give for the new Ian Bishop at the heart of it all, maybe that could be the new Lewis Cook when he returns.

I think your account of JT's early phase is bit out to suggest all his business was satisfactorily done early to give him a settled squad as the season started. He was dealing with the will Josh leave, won't he, when by contrast this year the Board have made a number of good early moves, Danjuma out in good time, Marcondes, Davis in very early. The difference is injuries have help Parker discover the hidden depth that no manager has been brave enough to discover.

I would also imagine JT's brief to Board on who he wanted and why was clearer. We may not have liked it but he was getting results, and understood the range of possibilities with each player. I am not convinced SP will figure out the best 11 for us for a long while, which means he can't possibly know what he needs if he doesn't know what the incoming has to fit with.

Reality no value gained in comparing EH, JT, JW and SP. We have not been more than a few points below top 6 of championship since I would guess 2014.

The fact is none of us could lace up our boots and give Dom a run for his spot, so even when we're critical of players, there's at least a semblance that we couldn't do better. Managers however, well, we can all put on a tracksuit or snazzy suit, so we expect them to be as AWESOME as we think we would be if we could set up the team each week. Truth is they are all a bit of a muchness, and there are very few stand out managers in the Prem let alone out league. JT did a good job, as did JW, just not quite good enough. SP is also doing a good job, we hope it will be good enough, but I can't see that's any more or less predictable from what we have seen so far.

He has my support but not without harmless comments here on theoretical changes. The irony being that if he read this, he might at least get more points of view from other people who saw the same games and have seen these play far more games than he has . For example, strongly agree with you about brooks being an option in the hole, and we missed the chance to try it Vs Norwich, albeit with Saydee ahead of him. It's just a shame he didn't use that game to see what we could go without the handbrake on.
I do think we are really lucky to have this amount of fantastic coaching ability on this message board. Let's hope Parker does read this board and learns something from them.
 
If we don't sign a striker/ centre forward before the window closes then promotion is screwed. Dom for all his effort goes on runs of not scoring and won't score enough goals on his own to push to the top of the league or playoffs. The lad will be f@cked at some point with all the games he's playing and the pressure to score goals
 
JT was given.mo money to spend .up to now we have sold danjuma and surrudge for
money and only brought in marcondes for money.surplus is there but owner wants to sell and it looks like loans will be the best we can.hope for
 
If saving money is the number one priority, I really don't see why we went to all that trouble and expense to bring in Parker and his backroom boys - especially as we seem to be essentially relying on last seasons squad with the addition of a few loan and free signings (and the loss of our better players).

Surely the cheaper option would have been to re-appoint Woodgate who, although it took him a bit of time to suss out what our best team was, got us on a decent run of results at one point. Was his contract not renewed as 'punishment' for not getting us promoted? If it was then that was very harsh IMHO!
 
If saving money is the number one priority, I really don't see why we went to all that trouble and expense to bring in Parker and his backroom boys - especially as we seem to be essentially relying on last seasons squad with the addition of a few loan and free signings (and the loss of our better players).

Surely the cheaper option would have been to re-appoint Woodgate who, although it took him a bit of time to suss out what our best team was, got us on a decent run of results at one point. Was his contract not renewed as 'punishment' for not getting us promoted? If it was then that was very harsh IMHO!
Even if Woody had got us promoted he would have been replaced by Parker.
 
If we don't sign a striker/ centre forward before the window closes then promotion is screwed. Dom for all his effort goes on runs of not scoring and won't score enough goals on his own to push to the top of the league or playoffs. The lad will be f@cked at some point with all the games he's playing and the pressure to score goals

Signing leading goalscorers from lower divisions seemed to work for Brentford and IMHO that seems to be what we should be considering if we are serious about getting promoted - albeit that we would have to pay out substantial transfer fees for such in demand players in the process!
 
Signing leading goalscorers from lower divisions seemed to work for Brentford and IMHO that seems to be what we should be considering if we are serious about getting promoted - albeit that we would have to pay out substantial transfer fees for such in demand players in the process!
The term substantial in the Championship is a lot lower than the term substantial in the PL and boy didn't we waste some money during that time!
With the parachute payment and the monies taken from player sales £5m on a striker shouldn't be an issue.
 
The term substantial in the Championship is a lot lower than the term substantial in the PL and boy didn't we waste some money during that time!
With the parachute payment and the monies taken from player sales £5m on a striker shouldn't be an issue.
Shouldn't be but seems that the case
 

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