Steve Cook

Gloria Hunter said:
Looks like they would like him to move on. There have been all these rumours since the start of pre-season but maybe there was always something in it. Also very odd that he wasn't immediately named the club captain by Parker.
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Leif Davis is listed as able to play CB, so even if we had 3 missing we could still use him as a back up without needing 5 others.

Midfielders and Forwards typically can get 15-30 minutes off the bench to win a starting spot. Managers also tend to prefer to stick with a settled back line, so was wondering yesterday what it would take for Rossi to get back in the team as no doubt it's Cahill's turn next to replace someone, plus making Kelly captain makes it harder to drop him.

Therefore, after making errors in a 6 nil defeat I can't see how S Cook proves he is worthy of a start when our style is safety first. With his contract running out, would make sense is as well as 1 or 2 coming in, we have 1 or 2 going out.

If every club has 2 players that they which is what every manager says, then that's only possible if every club sells 2.
 
Yep all about how it's done I guess. If it's a respectful, honest chat saying "we don't plan to start you and we need to be careful with finances, so how would you feel about a transfer?", that's fine if the player is willing to leave. If the player doesn't want to go but is basically frozen out when they are good enough for the bench in an attempt to force them out, that is underhand in my opinion. It's a lot like constructive dismissal. Clubs should have relegation clauses to reduce salaries in contracts or be able to enforce sales if that'suits how they want to go about things. This is their home. Their families live here and kids go to school here so there are plenty of very understandable reasons why a player may not want to leave.
 
Johnny Comelately said:
Pardon?
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Written on the go with one too many typos.

Should have read

If every manager at this time of year says they are still looking for 2 more players, that's only possible if every manager is also prepared to sell / loan 2 to balance it out. Has to be as many sellers as buyers.

My point is Parker might want a couple but doesn't mean he doesn't have a couple he is prepared to sell or loan out. Getting another striker might depend on a CB going out, either sold or on loan. S Cook being sold seems most likely but let's see.
 
ChampagneCherry said:
Written on the go with one too many typos.

Should have read

If every manager at this time of year says they are still looking for 2 more players, that's only possible if every manager is also prepared to sell / loan 2 to balance it out. Has to be as many sellers as buyers.

My point is Parker might want a couple but doesn't mean he doesn't have a couple he is prepared to sell or loan out. Getting another striker might depend on a CB going out, either sold or on loan. S Cook being sold seems most likely but let's see.
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Seriously doubt that getting a striker in is dependent on Cook or anyone else leaving. They’ll be a Surridge replacement.
 
stevethepirate65 said:
Seriously doubt that getting a striker in is dependent on Cook or anyone else leaving. They’ll be a Surridge replacement.
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If you factor in Rossi and Taylor returning from loan, Davis, Marcondes, Nyland, Cahill and Rogers arriving, plus Saydee being added to 1st team, that's 8 additions to the squad, with Rico, Danjuma, CCV, Surridge, Bego, RoRo, Long and Wilshere, 8 out.

I will simplify things by not making the argument that Saydee looks as good, if not better than Surridge, and agree that a Surridge replacement is needed.

But equally there's an argument we have over-replaced CCV with 2 players, potentially 4 considering Kelly's run at CB enabled by Zemura's step up, and that Davis can also play there, so at least one CB must be surplus.
 
ChampagneCherry said:
If you factor in Rossi and Taylor returning from loan, Davis, Marcondes, Nyland, Cahill and Rogers arriving, plus Saydee being added to 1st team, that's 8 additions to the squad, with Rico, Danjuma, CCV, Surridge, Bego, RoRo, Long and Wilshere, 8 out.

I will simplify things by not making the argument that Saydee looks as good, if not better than Surridge, and agree that a Surridge replacement is needed.

But equally there's an argument we have over-replaced CCV with 2 players, potentially 4 considering Kelly's run at CB enabled by Zemura's step up, and that Davis can also play there, so at least one CB must be surplus.
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Taylor’s filling a place on the bench, nothing more. If he couldn’t get any league game time with most of our midfield injured then it’s safe to say he’s not part of Parker’s plans. He’s 22, out of contract at the end of the year, and probably not on a big salary.

While Saydee might have a future with us, he clearly isn’t considered fully ready yet - if he was, he’d have been entrusted with more than 5-minute cameos. Together with Rossi, none of those three would have been on big salaries, and none of the other signings (apart from Cahill) will be on anywhere close to the salaries of the majority of those who left.

If we bring in 2 signings then there possibly might be the 1 outgoing, but seriously doubt there’ll be any more than that.
 
stevethepirate65 said:
Taylor’s filling a place on the bench, nothing more. If he couldn’t get any league game time with most of our midfield injured then it’s safe to say he’s not part of Parker’s plans. He’s 22, out of contract at the end of the year, and probably not on a big salary.

While Saydee might have a future with us, he clearly isn’t considered fully ready yet - if he was, he’d have been entrusted with more than 5-minute cameos. Together with Rossi, none of those three would have been on big salaries, and none of the other signings (apart from Cahill) will be on anywhere close to the salaries of the majority of those who left.

If we bring in 2 signings then there possibly might be the 1 outgoing, but seriously doubt there’ll be any more than that.
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I am not talking salaries. It's just my view that too big a squad is worse than too small a squad. It's just too many personalities and egos that need managing.

There's a fine line between competition for places and disruption from players who are out of favour. In the scenario where we get hit by too many injuries, the disruption itself will negate the benefit of a big squad. I.e if we lose 5 first choice players between now and Jan, I would cut them some slack if that meant we drifted off the playoffs to mid table. I don't worry about worse based on what we have seen already.

Plus none of the youngsters will improve if they are not playing, so if the aim let's say was promotion, then to look to achieve that without developing the young guns who get pushed to bottom of the squad rotation, but instead going for established players at Championship level just means we have less players equipped to make it at Prem level.

Points on Taylor are very fair, but maybe he leaves when SP brings in someone else and is certain that every other midfielder has stayed. Also agree on Saydee, but he is at least as good as Long in my opinion from what we saw, just SP is too cautious to have played him from start Vs Norwich which makes no sense.

Ultimately how good this squad is depends on your view on the talent they have and the coaching team's ability to develop everyone.
 
ChampagneCherry said:
I am not talking salaries. It's just my view that too big a squad is worse than too small a squad. It's just too many personalities and egos that need managing.

There's a fine line between competition for places and disruption from players who are out of favour. In the scenario where we get hit by too many injuries, the disruption itself will negate the benefit of a big squad. I.e if we lose 5 first choice players between now and Jan, I would cut them some slack if that meant we drifted off the playoffs to mid table. I don't worry about worse based on what we have seen already.

Plus none of the youngsters will improve if they are not playing, so if the aim let's say was promotion, then to look to achieve that without developing the young guns who get pushed to bottom of the squad rotation, but instead going for established players at Championship level just means we have less players equipped to make it at Prem level.

Points on Taylor are very fair, but maybe he leaves when SP brings in someone else and is certain that every other midfielder has stayed. Also agree on Saydee, but he is at least as good as Long in my opinion from what we saw, just SP is too cautious to have played him from start Vs Norwich which makes no sense.

Ultimately how good this squad is depends on your view on the talent they have and the coaching team's ability to develop everyone.
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Personally I think dropping points because you haven’t got enough cover for injured players is worse for morale than having a competitive squad.

In any case, competition for places never did a good squad any harm - the likes of Stan, Gosling and Smith rarely started in our promotion season. That only spurred them on to better things. And see how Daniels upped his game every time we signed a new left back. And Tommy when we signed Elliott Ward.

And I’m not saying drop the youngsters - they’ve all come in and impressed. But they won’t be able to start every game, and they need to be looking over their shoulder. If they have good attitudes then they’ll embrace this.

And however underwhelming Long was for us last season, he’s still far ahead of Saydee at this point.
 
Bitzer said:
The rumour mill is saying Warburton at QPR is a big fan of Cookie. So you could be on the right lines .
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Worse places for him to go. Was wondering whether a couple of PL clubs might have a slight interest too.
 
I’m wondering about Brighton, they have already sold one centre half and just seen that vultures are prowling for another one?
 
SteveJonesLegend said:
Cook is more than good enough for for most of the usual bottom half PL teams... Even if it is just to bolster a squad...

I'd still be gutted to see him leave...
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Disagree. Our fan base is generally blinded when it comes to his short comings. A long way off the standard of the likes of Mee ect.
 
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