Antoine Semenyo

JT_AFCB said:
Got a couple of buddies who are City ‘fans,’ or at least claim to be since around the time they started to be successful. Their opinion is that Antoine isn’t a Man City standard player. Doesn’t offer enough outside of goals and is short of the technical level that they expect from a wide player. They both would prefer to see Savinho in the starting eleven.
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A shame Pep and the Man City DOF didnt consult your mates prior to signing him

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SlowDownDerek said:
I bet they've said similar about Doku and many other City flair players too.
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They actually seem to prefer the ‘flair’ players like Doku and Savinho, the types who don’t produce consistent output but who are easy on the eye. They don’t see Semenyo as a flair player, they see him as a limited but productive one.
 
JT_AFCB said:
They actually seem to prefer the ‘flair’ players like Doku and Savinho, the types who don’t produce consistent output but who are easy on the eye. They don’t see Semenyo as a flair player, they see him as a limited but productive one.
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Depends what you like I suppose. I can't think of many players who are more exciting than Semenyo with the ball whether you call him a flair player or not.
 
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JT_AFCB said:
They don’t deny that he will get you goals.
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Yes... but theyre implying theyre better judges of a players ability and suitability than Pep...

OC we're all entitled to our opinions on things (well, most things, depending on who's around you...), but under the slightest scrutiny, this opinion is quite ridiculous and just comes across proper ignorant armchair fan stuff.
 
JT_AFCB said:
Got a couple of buddies who are City ‘fans,’ or at least claim to be since around the time they started to be successful. Their opinion is that Antoine isn’t a Man City standard player. Doesn’t offer enough outside of goals and is short of the technical level that they expect from a wide player. They both would prefer to see Savinho in the starting eleven.
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As Savinho has one goal last season and no goals this season I would politely suggest that they don’t know what they’re talking about
 
Telly123 said:
Yes... but theyre implying theyre better judges of a players ability and suitability than Pep...

OC we're all entitled to our opinions on things (well, most things, depending on who's around you...), but under the slightest scrutiny, this opinion is quite ridiculous and just comes across proper ignorant armchair fan stuff.
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I’m not a huge fan of talking down the opinion of a supporter due to them lacking the knowledge that the manager has. It falls under logical scrutiny when you acknowledge that some signings do indeed fail. Pep has made bad signings before, as has Sir Alex and many others. Of course their knowledge pails in insignificance compared to Pep’s but that alone doesn’t mean that they are wrong when evaluating one of his signings.*

*as it happens I do think that they are wrong, I think that they have been spoilt over the years by watching technical magicians like Mahrez and De Bruyne and have come to expect this level as technical ability as the norm.
 
JT_AFCB said:
I’m not a huge fan of talking down the opinion of a supporter due to them lacking the knowledge that the manager has. It falls under logical scrutiny when you acknowledge that some signings do indeed fail. Pep has made bad signings before, as has Sir Alex and many others. Of course their knowledge pails in insignificance compared to Pep’s but that alone doesn’t mean that they are wrong when evaluating one of his signings.*

*as it happens I do think that they are wrong, I think that they have been spoilt over the years by watching technical magicians like Mahrez and De Bruyne and have come to expect this level as technical ability as the norm.
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Yes... you are right.

but on this occasion, his output indicates they are wrong and pep is right.

Im not sure what more they could realistically expect from him. Even at man city... that is at the least, a very respectable output to date. Factoring in the step up to a club with much higher level of expectation, pressure... pressure from price tag.

I guess they could argue he someone detracts from overall team cohesion, performance. But that seems a stretch given the output, which surely makes up for another technical winger reustic volune of assists?

He may not have technical ability of other man city players... but he has explosiveness, whilst still having incredible agility and balance for kind of player he is.

He brings something different to their attacking dynamic... a bit like how some feel Brooks offers us something different from pace, more direct and physical approach.

They stil have loads of technical, slower players.
 
Telly123 said:
Yes... you are right.

but on this occasion, his output indicates they are wrong and pep is right.

Im not sure what more they could realistically expect from him. Even at man city... that is at the least, a very respectable output to date. Factoring in the step up to a club with much higher level of expectation, pressure... pressure from price tag.

I guess they could argue he someone detracts from overall team cohesion, performance. But that seems a stretch given the output.

He may not have technical ability of other man city players... but he has explosiveness, whilst still having incredible agility and balance for kind of player he is.

He brings something different to their attacking dynamic... a bit like how some feel Brooks offers us something different from pace, more direct and physical approach.
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From what they tell me, their view is that they already have a non technical goal machine up front to do that job so having another one on the wing can make their forward play look dysfunctional at times.

Like I say, I don’t agree with them.

It’s interesting though that his output has dropped off ever so slightly for them compared to when he played for us. 5 in his first 8 in the league for them and none in the 5 since. 1 in the last 10 in all comps for them. It does seem like he is becoming less productive the more he is integrated into their way of playing, or perhaps it’s just a dry spell!
 
JT_AFCB said:
They actually seem to prefer the ‘flair’ players like Doku and Savinho, the types who don’t produce consistent output but who are easy on the eye. They don’t see Semenyo as a flair player, they see him as a limited but productive one.
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Wow
 
JT_AFCB said:
From what they tell me, their view is that they already have a non technical goal machine up front to do that job so having another one on the wing can make their forward play look dysfunctional at times.

Like I say, I don’t agree with them.

It’s interesting though that his output has dropped off ever so slightly for them compared to when he played for us. 5 in his first 8 in the league for them and none in the 5 since. 1 in the last 10 in all comps for them. It does seem like he is becoming less productive the more he is integrated into their way of playing, or perhaps it’s just a dry spell!
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Yeah who knows re recent form. However, is it realistic to expect 25 goals from a winger in the pl over a season? Seems harsh to be reading into it too much at this point imo.

Haaland is a striker though. Semenyo isnt a a limited (in dribbling, winger sense)battering ram ... hes pretty agile and balanced for a more explosive player. Which is why ive said man city went in for him and paid what they did. Hes quite unusual.. freak almost (in a good way), re ability to change direction, go either way... given his strength, build etc. Quite rare for winger to have all of that in their locker.
 
I'm a little all-in with football at the moment given our situation so I actually watched their match v Everton hoping to see them deny one of our rivals any points. Bah!

And in the game, Antoine had very little positive impact. All their attacking threat came from the other side. When he got the ball, he was mostly extremely safe with it. I can only think of one time he drove at his full back and tried to muscle past him the way he would with us, and he lost it. His shooting was also wayward.

From their perspective, if that's how he's been in the past few games then I can understand why they might have some concerns.

All that said, he could turn around in the next game and blast in a couple from nowhere along with having his fullback on toast and setting up others.

Sure, Doku scored two great goals in their last match but that's out of character for him. Before that game he'd only scored 8 goals in 83 PL matches. So you can understand why Pep would want the other winger to be someone with a goal threat.
 
Didn’t he say he’s been told by Pep to slow his game down so not really his fault if that’s what they want from him
 
kirsikka said:
I'm a little all-in with football at the moment given our situation so I actually watched their match v Everton hoping to see them deny one of our rivals any points. Bah!

And in the game, Antoine had very little positive impact. All their attacking threat came from the other side. When he got the ball, he was mostly extremely safe with it. I can only think of one time he drove at his full back and tried to muscle past him the way he would with us, and he lost it. His shooting was also wayward.

From their perspective, if that's how he's been in the past few games then I can understand why they might have some concerns.

All that said, he could turn around in the next game and blast in a couple from nowhere along with having his fullback on toast and setting up others.

Sure, Doku scored two great goals in their last match but that's out of character for him. Before that game he'd only scored 8 goals in 83 PL matches. So you can understand why Pep would want the other winger to be someone with a goal threat.
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The media will only recall Antoine's highlights reel here, given that's all they see of us. And even us fans will most firmly remember his goals and impact, understandably. But we should remember Semenyo always had quiet periods of form, and often quite long stretches of that earlier in his development, before hitting these explosive patches.
 
JT_AFCB said:
They actually seem to prefer the ‘flair’ players like Doku and Savinho, the types who don’t produce consistent output but who are easy on the eye. They don’t see Semenyo as a flair player, they see him as a limited but productive one.
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"limited but productive" seems almost like a contradiction in terms.
 
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