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Neil Dawson

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#41
That will be paper from 2017 then?;)
I think Harry deserves a chance of first team football and barring an injury crisis/ Spanish flu epidemic, can't see it happening here. Will always be a legend here for the Championship winning season

I agree. It’s just a shame. A top class premier league midfielder is on our books but we or him can’t get it firing again and we will end up watching Surman at some point this season. Sad.
 
#45
Lewis Cook was one of the best signings of this summer with a new 4 year contract.

If he does go that should mean we get big big bucks for him. Why he would want to go, or why we would let him go, I have no idea.
 
#46
Jack Wilshere, Lewis Cook and Brooks just in front would be nice. Shame Jack didn't sign imo.

Then 3 at the back, two guys on the wings, King and Wilson upfront.

Great vs everyone except the top 6, but who no formation is going to magically let us overcome that kind of money.
 

dragonm8

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#47
That would be a nice midfield but powder puff.

It would make Gosling look like Roy Keane if he got on the pitch.


Jack Wilshere, Lewis Cook and Brooks just in front would be nice. Shame Jack didn't sign imo.

Then 3 at the back, two guys on the wings, King and Wilson upfront.

Great vs everyone except the top 6, but who no formation is going to magically let us overcome that kind of money.
 
#49
That will be paper from 2017 then?;)
I think Harry deserves a chance of first team football and barring an injury crisis/ Spanish flu epidemic, can't see it happening here. Will always be a legend here for the Championship winning season
And for that goal v Boro at home !
Superb strike xxxxx
 
#50
That’s why I said ‘on paper’. Only Eddie will know if he can get Harry back firing and recent evidence would agree with you.

Thing is though. Great though Cook is (and he will go on to things beyond us) he is yet to totally dominate a PL game against top class opposition....something Harry has done a few times.
But has he though? Against Spurs, 0-0 at home, sure. I can’t remember any other game where Arter has matched this hyperbole.

What does “totally dominate against top class opposition” even mean, in the real world? I watched Gosling and Cook dominate Chelsea in a manner that was far more impressive than anything I’ve ever seen from Arter. In fact, Gosling has, on the whole, outperformed Arter for almost 2 years. And Surman did more in 3 months last season than Arter has managed in years. At what point are Gosling and Surman viewed as better players on paper? And as much as I love Arter, he was absolutely awful against Real Betis.

My heart says “Thanks for the memories, go get some regular football”. My head says “Thank f*** Lerma’s coming in”.
 

DJ

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#51
But has he though? Against Spurs, 0-0 at home, sure. I can’t remember any other game where Arter has matched this hyperbole.

What does “totally dominate against top class opposition” even mean, in the real world? I watched Gosling and Cook dominate Chelsea in a manner that was far more impressive than anything I’ve ever seen from Arter. In fact, Gosling has, on the whole, outperformed Arter for almost 2 years. And Surman did more in 3 months last season than Arter has managed in years. At what point are Gosling and Surman viewed as better players on paper? And as much as I love Arter, he was absolutely awful against Real Betis.

My heart says “Thanks for the memories, go get some regular football”. My head says “Thank f*** Lerma’s coming in”.
The home game against Everton was another outstanding performance.

I’d go as far as saying the best midfield performance an afcb player has ever put in.

Reading this, I’m really hoping we see more of Harry Arter this season.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sp...er-harry-arter-hopes-hard-graft-will-pay-off/
 

Neil Dawson

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#52
The game against Man U as well just after his personal tragedy. He owned that whole game.

It’s odd how some fans have turned so against a player so good. Fair enough to wipe out his future if that’s your subjective opinion. You can’t change history that we all saw. Nobody at our club, including the brilliant Lewis Cook, has come close to matching a rampaging Arter at his best,

Can Arter and Howe unlock that again between them?
 
#53
The game against Man U as well just after his personal tragedy. He owned that whole game.

It’s odd how some fans have turned so against a player so good. Fair enough to wipe out his future if that’s your subjective opinion. You can’t change history that we all saw. Nobody at our club, including the brilliant Lewis Cook, has come close to matching a rampaging Arter at his best,

Can Arter and Howe unlock that again between them?
I don't think so. Feel he will be gone as soon as Lerma signs on the dotted line.
 
#54
Not seen anything from Arter for a very long time. Had his chance in recent friendlies to show something - but at Forest for example he was going through the motions ... looked as though he'd forgotten his basic skills.

Best for him and the club to move on before he loses the chance of a decent transfer.
 
#56
The game against Man U as well just after his personal tragedy. He owned that whole game.

It’s odd how some fans have turned so against a player so good. Fair enough to wipe out his future if that’s your subjective opinion. You can’t change history that we all saw. Nobody at our club, including the brilliant Lewis Cook, has come close to matching a rampaging Arter at his best,

Can Arter and Howe unlock that again between them?
Totally agree, Neil. An on-song Arter is a force to be reckoned with in the Premier League. His future at AFCB depends on Eddie's view of the chances of Harry regaining his form of old. Something changed with Arter, and I wonder whether all of his (understandable) focus on his family has led to him losing focus and confidence on the pitch?
 
#57
The game against Man U as well just after his personal tragedy. He owned that whole game.

It’s odd how some fans have turned so against a player so good. Fair enough to wipe out his future if that’s your subjective opinion. You can’t change history that we all saw. Nobody at our club, including the brilliant Lewis Cook, has come close to matching a rampaging Arter at his best,

Can Arter and Howe unlock that again between them?
How about giving him a chance? He's written off too quickly, and we should do our best to take care of him.

Arter is and always will be a giant of our history. Our 2-0 win over Southampton is a top Arter performance that sticks in my mind. Dominated Wanyama that night.

The question is how long do we cling onto that Arter. It's been the better part of 2 years since we've seen him on form. Since then we've had an at best anonymous and at worst insipid and disinterested Arter. There's been various legends in recent years given far far less patience before being moved on. Indeed the way Arter was moping around last season suggested he himself wanted away (selling up his business down here you'll remember).

Now I would argue Arter deserves more time than those other legends. A) because he has shown us flashes of real PL quality in our first season or so up here, B) what with his personal circumstances. C) because his brand of aggressive play is something we otherwise lack. And if that interview with the OHEC is anything to go by then Arter sounds in a better frame of mind to give it another go (although Betis wasn't the most inspiring start).

The last 2 years calls Eddie totally justified in firstly promoting Cook, Surman and Gosling all above Arter, they've simply been consistently better in their various skill-sets for 2 years. And secondly bringing in another central midfielder this summer (and I've bloody glad he has done so) bringing it seems Lerma's own brand of aggression to our party.

Perhaps Lerma's addition will be the final push to get Arter back into full fighting spirit? It surely signals now or never for Arter in terms of regaining a current and future place in the side. But as said, his place in the all time legends is already long since secured.
 
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#58
Arter just seems to have forgotten how to play football. We all know the energy he brings but thats no use if he is just running round like a madman, giving fouls away and being caught out of position.

At his best he is a fine technical player too. Composed on the ball, a decent range of passing and a fantastic strike on him. If he could calm down a bit and play with a bit less anger then we'd stilll have a great player on our hands. As it stands, he seems to put more effort into arguing with refs and faking injury than the basics of being a good football player.
 
#59
After was magnificent in the championship albeit displaying ferocious tackling on many occasions which attracted yellows and red cards. Nevertheless he has been fantastic for us over many seasons and I still remember those fantastic goals he scored from outside the box on a regular basis. Sadly though, it could be a good time to move on to new pastures.
 

DJ

Moderator
#60
After was magnificent in the championship albeit displaying ferocious tackling on many occasions which attracted yellows and red cards. Nevertheless he has been fantastic for us over many seasons and I still remember those fantastic goals he scored from outside the box on a regular basis. Sadly though, it could be a good time to move on to new pastures.
2 red cards in 5 years.

Simon Francis - 4 reds in 4 years.