Dean Court Redevelopment

zigger zaggar said:
Naturally. Anyone with a match ticket should and no doubt will, be able to use the shuttle buses. It's more the point that we don't have to provide parking spaces near a train station as people will presumably largely be arriving at the train station on a train!
What is also needed is Park & Ride for those not suitable located to get the train. It seems to me obvious the club should provide some P&Rs around the conurbation i.e. to the west somewhere near Upton/Creekmoor, to the north near Ringwood or possibly Wimborne, to the east Somerford would be ideal.
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Morebus responded to the planning consultation. They made the point that shuttle buses from the station will be as useful for bus passengers arriving at the Travel interchange as for train passengers.

Think what you need for a P&R that people would actually want to use: land with hard surfacing; fencing; accessibility to main roads; lighting and CCTV; bus stops & shelters; reliable buses and crews; signage; planning permission; and transparent ownership (who takes responsibility if someone steals your car/do they have public liability insurance? Etc). Just not practical I think.

Much better to use existing services and, as someone said earlier, to create your own Park & Ride by identifying a reliable bus route that works for you.
 
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zigger zaggar said:
Naturally. Anyone with a match ticket should and no doubt will, be able to use the shuttle buses. It's more the point that we don't have to provide parking spaces near a train station as people will presumably largely be arriving at the train station on a train!
What is also needed is Park & Ride for those not suitable located to get the train. It seems to me obvious the club should provide some P&Rs around the conurbation i.e. to the west somewhere near Upton/Creekmoor, to the north near Ringwood or possibly Wimborne, to the east Somerford would be ideal.
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the club already have postcodes on their database so it shouldn't be impossible to knock up a rough idea of what's required [volume and frequency] for shuttle buses and/or subsidised regular bus and train tickets

if they offered me match day train fare from brock or NM with my ST I might be willing to leave the car at home
 
borisatha said:
I was a yellow bus driver back in The 70’s. Joint as a conductor as a summer job. (WTF is that say the younger posters).
Stayed on and passed the PSV driving test although I was banned from driving due to tot up of endorsements. Speeding etc’.
Shows what you could do back in the day. No computer records.
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Did you have bus groupies? my mate did. always telling me about the perks of the job.
 
Kenya Cherrie said:
Did you have bus groupies? my mate did. always telling me about the perks of the job.
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It was definitely a thing back in the day.
Conductors especially could attract a following.
Have Hants & Dorset workers in the family and in the 70s and 80s there were plenty of examples of it ! As weird as that may seem these days.
A cheeky wink, a bit of banter and „forgetting“ to issue a ticket could get you a long way back then :p
 
redharry said:
I would like to assume that as part of the access and exit arrangements for supporters that a traffic free zone will be established around the ground for a short time after the final whistle so that the large mass of spectators can leave quickly and safely. This is something that any half competent security and safety official would have in place now. But no we have to dice with traffic coming off the Spur road, football and residential traffic leaving the immediate area inc taxis, a busy junction at Queens Park etc etc. This must be sorted if there are to be 20,000 people exiting.
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We can't expect security to be all over everything you know. They've got their hands full making sure that a load of old blokes in the back row of the East stand don't lean against the back of their seats.
 
redharry said:
Re bus services, always seems a bit strange that there is no real service from Winton along Alma Road and Richmond Park Road. Everything goes via the train station or town centre.
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I was talking to a pal earlier who’s in Moordown. He walks to the ground (weather permitting) and takes 50 mins. He was up for public transport, but was struggling to see any betterment. I told him he needs to stop being so entitled and think outside the box.
 
Kat129 said:
Perfect. Thank you
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Read the active travel report and the officials seem unhappy that the club are only providing 300 or so cycle spaces at the ground and wanting upwards of 550. I will be amazed if these are even half full on a match day. Public bodies always seem to grossly overestimate the number of people who are prepared to cycle, especially to a midweek game in February.
 
redharry said:
I would like to assume that as part of the access and exit arrangements for supporters that a traffic free zone will be established around the ground for a short time after the final whistle so that the large mass of spectators can leave quickly and safely. This is something that any half competent security and safety official would have in place now. But no we have to dice with traffic coming off the Spur road, football and residential traffic leaving the immediate area inc taxis, a busy junction at Queens Park etc etc. This must be sorted if there are to be 20,000 people exiting.
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At the very least, they could stop traffic coming off the spur road at Kings Park, and put some blocks further up the road at the fire station and down into littledown... Doesn't need to be 100% traffic-free... just access only with residents having permits would be a start...

It just takes a tiny bit of creative thinking so the area is 'considerably reduced' in traffic flow for 2.5 hours every home game, but doesn't inconvenience any residents at all...
 
yanh_ said:
Read the active travel report and the officials seem unhappy that the club are only providing 300 or so cycle spaces at the ground and wanting upwards of 550. I will be amazed if these are even half full on a match day. Public bodies always seem to grossly overestimate the number of people who are prepared to cycle, especially to a midweek game in February.
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I think you're being optimistic at half full...!!!

However, you would have assumed the club will get their info from one of the surveys they have sent out over the last 12 months (I think I recall something asking about how we would travel to games...???)
 
RobTrent said:
Extra revenue if people stay in DC longer too ;-)
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Trialing the tea time KOs on the big screen with bar, food and bands on (in good weather of course)...

I've often wondered why the club haven't tried showing away games that are on TV, at the ground... It would in no way stop anyone that wanted to actually go, going, but with few beers, some food, music and game on the big screen, could be decent...
 
SteveJonesLegend said:
Trialing the tea time KOs on the big screen with bar, food and bands on (in good weather of course)...

I've often wondered why the club haven't tried showing away games that are on TV, at the ground... It would in no way stop anyone that wanted to actually go, going, but with few beers, some food, music and game on the big screen, could be decent...
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Health and safety? ;-)
 
SteveJonesLegend said:
Trialing the tea time KOs on the big screen with bar, food and bands on (in good weather of course)...

I've often wondered why the club haven't tried showing away games that are on TV, at the ground... It would in no way stop anyone that wanted to actually go, going, but with few beers, some food, music and game on the big screen, could be decent...
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It works for Infrastructure Utd where they keep the concourse bars open for a couple of hours after the game to spread the flow of the mass exodus. They also have free train (and bus) travel within a fairly large zone for match ticket holders so allowing free train travel for our match ticket holders between, say, Wareham and Brockenhurst as well as the buses is a startlingly obvious thing to do.
 
zigger zaggar said:
It works for Infrastructure Utd where they keep the concourse bars open for a couple of hours after the game to spread the flow of the mass exodus. They also have free train (and bus) travel within a fairly large zone for match ticket holders so allowing free train travel for our match ticket holders between, say, Wareham and Brockenhurst as well as the buses is a startlingly obvious thing to do.
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I guess the thing is, they are specific football trains I think, from Brighton central, not normal service trains... I'm not convinced we'd have enough numbers to run specific stopping-service trains to Pokesdown, from Brokenhurst and Wareham...?

But I guess surely there is something they could do with digital tickets working for both game and train scanners...? Just a QR code at the end of the day...
 
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SteveJonesLegend said:
I guess the thing is, they are specific football trains, from Brighton central, not normal service trains... I'm not convinced we'd have enuogh numbers to run specific stopping service trains to Pokesdown, from Brokenhurst and Wareham...?

But I guess surely there is something they could do with digital tickets working for both game and train scanners...? Just a QR code at the end of the day...
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I don’t think they are football specials.
 
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