Face masks

davygravy said:
That is also another reason why masks have been absolutely unnecessary the whole time for general public use. Cheap ones being sold online never really made any difference and certainly the way most people treat them didn't protect them in the way they though either.
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First person I’ve seen mention the danger of discarded masks. Just another demonstration of people not caring about their environment. As to the effectiveness of masks preventing the spread of disease, I refer you back to my earlier post. Try blowing out a match or candle while wearing one.
 
RobTrent said:
Please can you share the link to the stats about restrictions?
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Not in a position to be able to get to them all now Rob but a quick scroll through Twitter will find you lots of current stats and data ;) and no, not from some bloke down the pub, from official sources.
 
Ivyhouse said:
First person I’ve seen mention the danger of discarded masks. Just another demonstration of people not caring about their environment. As to the effectiveness of masks preventing the spread of disease, I refer you back to my earlier post. Try blowing out a match or candle while wearing one.
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The efficacy of them has never been agreed by every expert. As someone who wears one for work, its never been nice or pleasant and I am one of many who express concerns to the harm they could cause.
 
zigger zaggar said:
What harm?
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This was one article from last year, the science hasn't changed on this:

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435/rr-40

But also there are concerns about issues around mental health, especially with younger people and then just not seeing other people fully. Anxiety etc. But then we have things like prolonged use leading to breathing in pieces of the mask lining. I could go on! The main thing being that they really should be down to personal choice by now.
 
davygravy said:
The efficacy of them has never been agreed by every expert. As someone who wears one for work, its never been nice or pleasant and I am one of many who express concerns to the harm they could cause.
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Did you contract Covid at any point during the pandemic?
 
davygravy said:
This was one article from last year, the science hasn't changed on this:

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435/rr-40
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This 'article' does not provide scientific evidence (yes, I took the time to actually read it).

The 'article,' (actually a letter to the BMJ), although it makes some valid and interesting points, is the response to a longer and more thorough argument for the wearing of masks.

The letter concludes by asking for peer-reviewed (as is praxis) studies to be carried out to examine whether wearing masks are efficient in the current pandemic.

Have there been any studies that show that mask wearing is not effective at all or indeed detrimental? I ask because the heading and sub-heading to the BMJ editorial to which this letter is linked are:

Covid-19: should the public wear face masks?

Yes—population benefits are plausible and harms unlikely
 
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This thread has just about anything one could ask for on what appears to be a contentious issue for some people. I travel, or did, a lot to Asia and am very used to seeing Japanese and Koreans wearing masks on public transport in flu season. They don't appear to have all gone crazy. That said, they wear real medical masks, not these vanity pieces of cloth. Will I wear a medical mask to Wembley? Yes, with a junk AFCB mask over the N95. Do I need to? Not for myself, I had severe COVID and now have lots of natural protection plus two jabs, but rather for others. I could still be a carrier and don't want to infect my fellow fan, as the vaccinations have yet to be offered to all. Once they are the mask comes off, as if you had a chance to get vaccinated and didn't it's on you not me. Of course, I'll continue to be worried about the Watford variant, the one that's quite direct and bores you into a coma.
 
Turkued said:
This thread has just about anything one could ask for on what appears to be a contentious issue for some people. I travel, or did, a lot to Asia and am very used to seeing Japanese and Koreans wearing masks on public transport in flu season. They don't appear to have all gone crazy. That said, they wear real medical masks, not these vanity pieces of cloth. Will I wear a medical mask to Wembley? Yes, with a junk AFCB mask over the N95. Do I need to? Not for myself, I had severe COVID and now have lots of natural protection plus two jabs, but rather for others. I could still be a carrier and don't want to infect my fellow fan, as the vaccinations have yet to be offered to all. Once they are the mask comes off, as if you had a chance to get vaccinated and didn't it's on you not me. Of course, I'll continue to be worried about the Watford variant, the one that's quite direct and bores you into a coma.
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Seems an eminently sensible approach to me.
 
Ivyhouse said:
First person I’ve seen mention the danger of discarded masks. Just another demonstration of people not caring about their environment. As to the effectiveness of masks preventing the spread of disease, I refer you back to my earlier post. Try blowing out a match or candle while wearing one.
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You sound like a medical marvel but not being able to blow out a candle with a mask on doesn't prove that masks are helpful, healthy or normal. You need good and bad bacteria and fresh air or you will have the a weaker immune system, it's a fact.

Two years ago if you walked into a Shop or a Bank with a mask on you'd get the deathstare and escorted out for being a potential Robber but now you get it for not wearing one, fickle society, on top of that we still had contagious viruses with a 99.8% or lower survival rate in 2019.


Old Cherry, You don't know what planet your on mate. Did you know there is an exoplanet in Space that is made up entirely of Ice that is constantly burning on fire, this is because what we perceive as normal in our World like the laws of physics does not count in other Worlds. The truth is not always what you expect. Crazy isn't it!
If a picture can tell a thousand words then our eyes can see a thousand lies.
 
wallmth said:
It’s all well and good retirees like you spouting off Billy blitz boy . Some citizens particularly the young still have lives to life . People like you would be more than happy to still be indoors 5 years from now if big brother told you to ... Dunkirk spirit my ar se .Boomers keep on booming , the most self absorbed generation ever .
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Last comment is truly pathetic
 
Interesting about the strange ice fire planet! The universe is fascinating and humankind barely understands our own planet’s needs, although we are waking up even if a little too late. I was wearing a Darth Vader Death Star mask (ok a twin filter builders mask) in Feb 2020 and getting weird looks months before masks were recommended. I hate wearing them now but it’s a small price to pay if it helps me and others avoid the plague. There appear to be two general schools of thought arising in this country from politicians and scientists. First is that we’re going to vaccinate our way out of the plague. Second is that social distancing is what’s really keeping the infection rate down. And yes a third perhaps that it’s a combination of both . My big concern is that there are selective pressures on the virus to mutate in any of the aforementioned examples. The virus doesn’t go away easily. We could easily end up with another uk variant of concern. Or from another country.... On the other hand it could mutate into something benign ( possibly more likely).
 
We all seem to forget that the WHO only changed their stance on face coverings due to being politically lobbied (as reported back in June '20 by Deborah Cohen (BBC)).

All the peer reviewed studies (there are over a dozen) looking at the effectiveness of face coverings for respiratory diseases are non conclusive. This hasn't miraculously changed just because Tedros says so.

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Jules said:
Interesting about the strange ice fire planet! The universe is fascinating and humankind barely understands our own planet’s needs, although we are waking up even if a little too late. I was wearing a Darth Vader Death Star mask (ok a twin filter builders mask) in Feb 2020 and getting weird looks months before masks were recommended. I hate wearing them now but it’s a small price to pay if it helps me and others avoid the plague. There appear to be two general schools of thought arising in this country from politicians and scientists. First is that we’re going to vaccinate our way out of the plague. Second is that social distancing is what’s really keeping the infection rate down. And yes a third perhaps that it’s a combination of both . My big concern is that there are selective pressures on the virus to mutate in any of the aforementioned examples. The virus doesn’t go away easily. We could easily end up with another uk variant of concern. Or from another country.... On the other hand it could mutate into something benign ( possibly more likely).
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General treatments will improve as well, like finding out dexamethasone worked quite well. As long as drugs come about that keep people out of hospitals, then there will be less dependance on vaccines and social distancing.
 
GaryRB said:
So fair points raised
For clarity, no negative test required, hence I suspect the harder line on masks compared to larger test events which require a test. Still agree with sentiment though, in an open space separated from others, what's the point apart from an exercise in compliance
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Gary,

Iif we do manage to get to Wembley then if our stewards are in charge of entry and crowd control we'll have to start queuing on Thursday!
 
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