Lewis Cook

Never thought his performances were as bad as some made out, in a different class at the moment. He is very Wilshere esque in his ability to lose markers and turn into space. I just hope he stays clear of injury because if he does he can play in a top 6 side in the PL and who knows maybe attract Englands interest once again.
 
Well maybe you didn;t , but some people were laying into him hard on here at times.

Of course people can change their mind, but when they're belittling someone who clearly has the potential/ability and has been in out with injuries for years, then their opinion changes when he hits a run of form, just makes them look a bit fickle/clueless at times.

No one gets it right all the time of course and some players are 'deadwood' for whatever reason, or people have their favourites, but maybe people shouldn;t be so harsh to lay in, then just say 'well I can change my mind' when they get it wrong.

Mind you, did the good form start after he was being booed ;)
If you want the epitome of fan fickleness in the face of unknown conditions, you need look no further than David Brooks. He took a lot of sh*t for poor performances, little did we know what he was dealing with.
Btw, hope that he is getting closer to peak health. Would love to see him in the stands at DC for one of the final two games to celebrate promotion with the team and the fans.
 
If you want the epitome of fan fickleness in the face of unknown conditions, you need look no further than David Brooks. He took a lot of sh*t for poor performances, little did we know what he was dealing with.
Btw, hope that he is getting closer to peak health. Would love to see him in the stands at DC for one of the final two games to celebrate promotion with the team and the fans.
Silly example to be honest. Fans can only judge a player based on how he plays.

Are you suggesting that no player is ever critiqued on the off chance that they possess an undiagnosed health condition?
 
Silly example to be honest. Fans can only judge a player based on how he plays.

Are you suggesting that no player is ever critiqued on the off chance that they possess an undiagnosed health condition?
I'm saying that players sometimes face off-field circumstances that are unknown to fans which affect their play. Family issues, health issues, even contract issues.

I actually agree that we can only judge players by what we see, but we should always keep in mind that there are things that we don't see.

Looks like you are spoiling for a fight. I'll give you one, but let's do it by dm so that the rest don't have to wade through it. Your shenanigans have already cost us a very valuable poster who is worth a thousand of you.
 
I'm saying that players sometimes face off-field circumstances that are unknown to fans which affect their play. Family issues, health issues, even contract issues.

I actually agree that we can only judge players by what we see, but we should always keep in mind that there are things that we don't see.

Looks like you are spoiling for a fight. I'll give you one, but let's do it by dm so that the rest don't have to wade through it. Your shenanigans have already cost us a very valuable poster who is worth a thousand of you.
What poster have my ‘shenanigans’ cost? Lol
 
It’s not a black and white world. He was awful for ages. There was a time earlier on this season when all of us would have had him last pick of our midfield behind even Kilkenny. Nothing wrong with people stating how they feel at the time and questioning would he ever recover from those injuries.

We all seem agreed now as well that he is in his finest form and has been a joy to watch for weeks.

Both of those sentiments were accurate at the time they were written/spoken. It’s not about people changing their mind it’s about Cook changing his form and people reacting accordingly.
Credit where it's due. Parker has always talked Lewis up and man managed him very well.
 
If you want the epitome of fan fickleness in the face of unknown conditions, you need look no further than David Brooks. He took a lot of sh*t for poor performances, little did we know what he was dealing with.
Btw, hope that he is getting closer to peak health. Would love to see him in the stands at DC for one of the final two games to celebrate promotion with the team and the fans.
Absolutely agree, as in every walk of life and profession. Everyone has a back story which impact their lives in one way or another and often only the closest people to them are aware of it.
 
It’s not a black and white world. He was awful for ages. There was a time earlier on this season when all of us would have had him last pick of our midfield behind even Kilkenny. Nothing wrong with people stating how they feel at the time and questioning would he ever recover from those injuries.

We all seem agreed now as well that he is in his finest form and has been a joy to watch for weeks.

Both of those sentiments were accurate at the time they were written/spoken. It’s not about people changing their mind it’s about Cook changing his form and people reacting accordingly.
Or...and bear with me here...some of us could see he was simply played out of position. Something you yourself stated more than once.

Playing Solanke in goal and stating hes out of form would be laughable. Playing Cook wide or as one of a front 3 made no sense. Stick him in the holding midfield position and allow him to quarter back and he shows what he is able to do.
 
Or...and bear with me here...some of us could see he was simply played out of position. Something you yourself stated more than once.

Playing Solanke in goal and stating hes out of form would be laughable. Playing Cook wide or as one of a front 3 made no sense. Stick him in the holding midfield position and allow him to quarter back and he shows what he is able to do.
The best central midfielders can play in a two or three. He's playing well now but are we a better side recently than the first half of the season? Are we winning more? Neil's got a fair point.
 
The best central midfielders can play in a two or three. He's playing well now but are we a better side recently than the first half of the season? Are we winning more? Neil's got a fair point.
So now its his fault that strikers are missing or defenders make mistakes.

Are you suggesting Lewis is not playing well? Or are you trying to suggest that a single player playing well should mean that all other 10 players become world class? Weird arguments you make sometimes just for the sake of it.
 
The best central midfielders can play in a two or three. He's playing well now but are we a better side recently than the first half of the season? Are we winning more? Neil's got a fair point.
It’s not about playing in a 2 or a 3, it’s about him being played in his actual position.

Lewis Cook is a deep lying play maker, his game is based around picking the ball up on the half turn from deep and starting attacks.

At the beginning of the season he was being played in an advanced role, tasked with making runs beyond the opposition back line and providing an attacking threat. He just isn’t that kind of player and it showed, he looked completely lost.

Not many midfielders have it in their locker to perform both of these roles. Most midfielders will either specialise in one or the other, and you will normally find that midfielders that get asked to perform both are normally a ‘Jack of all trades but master of none’ type.
 
So now its his fault that strikers are missing or defenders make mistakes.

Are you suggesting Lewis is not playing well? Or are you trying to suggest that a single player playing well should mean that all other 10 players become world class? Weird arguments you make sometimes just for the sake of it.
I think I might have answered you first question in the post you quoted.

He's had a very up and down afcb career and is now performing consistently, in my opinion his best period of form for the club. It's not the team's best period of form though and I think that is relevant for a deep-lying midfielder, who is the heartbeat of any side. Jack Wilshere looked great but was dropped for not being effective enough. Lewis Cook is a brilliant player to watch and the type that you pay your money to see, he needs to be part of a successful side though.
 
It’s not about playing in a 2 or a 3, it’s about him being played in his actual position.

Lewis Cook is a deep lying play maker, his game is based around picking the ball up on the half turn from deep and starting attacks.

At the beginning of the season he was being played in an advanced role, tasked with making runs beyond the opposition back line and providing an attacking threat. He just isn’t that kind of player and it showed, he looked completely lost.

Not many midfielders have it in their locker to perform both of these roles. Most midfielders will either specialise in one or the other, and you will normally find that midfielders that get asked to perform both are normally a ‘Jack of all trades but master of none’ type.
Were we a better side at the start of the season or now?
 
We got better results at the start of the season, but I’m not sure that we were a better side. We were certainly more clinical at the start of the season, but I’m not sure that has anything to do with Lewis Cook’s inclusion/non inclusion.
I don't think everything is down to Lewis Cook but it do think that we've never got the balance right in central midfield across four managers and at least three seasons. Jeff Lerma, Lewis Cook, Phillip Billing, Ben Pearson and even Gavin Kilkenny are all very good players yet they've never been part of an balanced and effective central midfield such as we've had in our successful sides of the past.

I'm hopeful that with Lewis Cook's upturn in form that he can be the catalyst to finally achieving this. People have mentioned him as captain material and he's a brilliant player to watch - next step is to dominate games and drive us to success this season and next.
 
I don't think everything is down to Lewis Cook but it do think that we've never got the balance right in central midfield across four managers and at least three seasons. Jeff Lerma, Lewis Cook, Phillip Billing, Ben Pearson and even Gavin Kilkenny are all very good players yet they've never been part of an balanced and effective central midfield such as we've had in our successful sides of the past.

I'm hopeful that with Lewis Cook's upturn in form that he can be the catalyst to finally achieving this. People have mentioned him as captain material and he's a brilliant player to watch - next step is to dominate games and drive us to success this season and next.
Would agree with that. Would go as far to say that since Lerma has signed that the balance of our midfield hasn’t really looked right. Good a player as he is.

Personally I think the most balanced we have looked was under Woodgate when Pearson and Lerma acted as a screen in front of the back four and Billing was given more of a free attacking role behind Solanke.