Nat Phillips

Kudos said:
Solanke was unproven at Championship level when purchased. You're comparing the "after success" price with the "before success" price. Before success typically under £5 after between £15-£30.

There are no examples in recent history of Championship clubs buying Championship top scorers for obvious reasons so there's no comparison there.

It's disingenuous to say that spending £20M makes a player successful. It took 39 appearances to score his first goal for us. It's also incorrect to say that the Solanke who we bought is no better than the Solanke we have today.

You purchase the player's services, not the player so contract length obviously factors into the valuation. It's kind of been fundamental to our incoming transfer strategy. This time next year without a new contract his value is £0.
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You are saying that Solanke was overpriced because he cost more than the input price of most championship strikers.

I would argue that the £19m included a large slice of potential pricing. We knew he had the potential to be a good striker but that we'd have to develop it, and so did Liverpool.

The rest of your post just makes the point perfectly.

Contrast this with Ivan Toney who cost Brentford £5m because he came from league one and nobody thought he had a lot of potential to be a premiership striker.

Solanke took 39 games to score but 19 of those appearances were as a sub. some of which he played for one or two minutes.
 
Kudos said:
Solanke was unproven at Championship level when purchased. You're comparing the "after success" price with the "before success" price. Before success typically under £5 after between £15-£30.

There are no examples in recent history of Championship clubs buying Championship top scorers for obvious reasons so there's no comparison there.

It's disingenuous to say that spending £20M makes a player successful. It took 39 appearances to score his first goal for us. It's also incorrect to say that the Solanke who we bought is no better than the Solanke we have today.

You purchase the player's services, not the player so contract length obviously factors into the valuation. It's kind of been fundamental to our incoming transfer strategy. This time next year without a new contract his value is £0.
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The after success price is what a good championship striker is worth, which is clearly £20m+. Using pre success prices then only considering the successes filters out all of those strikers that move for £5m or so but don't make it.

Most of your examples are Brentford, who had a model of picking up cheap players who hadn't made it elsewhere or were showing promise at a lower level. Brentford are without doubt masters of this but their success doesn't prove that a good championship striker is worth £5m, especially when they sold for much more than that.

£20m is expensive but at PL level it's cheap, a proven guaranteed PL level striker would cost loads more than that. It should guarantee a decent Championship level striker, which in Solanke's case it has. It was money well spent, not the signing of the century like Brentford have made consistently but a good signing.
 
Kudos said:
It took 39 appearances to score his first goal for us.
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Always think that’s a poor stat with little context.

He was behind Callum Wilson and Joshua King in the pecking order during the season and a half in the Premier League.

He played a bit part role, 23 of those appearances came from the bench and playing a deeper role.

Not exactly the best circumstances to string together a run of form and confidence. Especially in a side that created little.

He actually played 1,761 minutes, so less than 20 full games spread out over 60 games that he was available.
 
DJ said:
Always think that’s a poor stat with little context.

He was behind Callum Wilson and Joshua King in the pecking order during the season and a half in the Premier League.

He played a bit part role, 23 of those appearances came from the bench and playing a deeper role.

Not exactly the best circumstances to string together a run of form and confidence. Especially in a side that created little.

He actually played 1,761 minutes, so less than 20 full games spread out over 60 games that he was available.
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in his PL appearances, all I can remember was Dom being chucked on in the last 10 minutes of game when we were desperate for a goal and getting in Wilson or King's way....

I've no idea what after/before success price means btw but assume his PL appearances were before-success?
 
New Forest Cherry said:
in his PL appearances, all I can remember was Dom being chucked on in the last 10 minutes of game when we were desperate for a goal and getting in Wilson or King's way....

I've no idea what after/before success price means btw but assume his PL appearances were before-success?
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He arrived with a hamstring tear and hardly playing in the first team. Not too surprising he took his time - maybe not as long as he did -so some understanding in the first half season he was here.
 
Topfarrier said:
Lol that's a bit of a jump isn't it Rob?.....oh i probably shouldn't mention jumping on a Nat Phillips thread.
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Phillips was decent for us, not outstanding by any means but not anywhere near as poor as you are making out either. He certainly had some shaky games but he also had some pretty solid ones too.
 
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