Non - Reform UK

Telly123 said:
:D you should update your profile pic... one to rival Neil Dawson.

Out of interest, are you Scottish?

Also, do you not feel people who buy into 'the left' and their ideologies are being manipulated too?

A lot of belittling goes around stereotype reform voters, but in the same way not every left voter has bright green hair, septum bullring, gender neutral, wearing masks, incapable of operating in 'real world' and attacking people at protests, not every reform voter attacks hotels, fat middle aged skinhead, tattoos all over them and can barely string a sentence together.

Problem for people who generally allign with right of centre/conservative policies, is what party is a serious viable option at present?

I think once we discount the extreme irrational lunatics, malcontents intent on extreme behaviour, disruption and anarchy on either side, the rest of us probably arent as far away from each other as we may think.

Which is why I think a lot of intentional social engineering goes on, mainly online, to keep us arguing and squabbling... divided.
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Why is everyone pigeon holed into "the left" and "the right" in the UK. Is this a knock on from the US? Honest question, it seems like its "Dems vs Reps" over here sometimes.

Edit: Im as guilty as the next man...
 
Druss said:
Why is everyone pigeon holed into "the left" and "the right" in the UK. Is this a knock on from the US? Honest question, it seems like its "Dems vs Reps" over here sometimes.

Edit: Im as guilty as the next man...
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Yeah. It was meant as a catch all high level in this instance.

Who do most of the middle ground vote for next GE? Many who voted Labour last GE, likely voted Conservative before... but after tangible impact to quality of life (brexit, covid etc...), voted for the other 'viable' centre (albeit left) party.

I don't think those middle ground (particularly if they dont really follow politics) will be voting Labour at the next GE, given the ongoing decline in quality of life, cost of living... regardless if another government would have realistically fayred much better or not... in overall scheme of things.

Seems too soon to vote Conservative after their previous stint?
 
Telly123 said:
Yeah. It was meant as a catch all high level in this instance.

Who do most of the middle ground vote for next GE? Many who voted Labour last GE, likely voted Conservative before... but after tangible impact to quality of life (brexit, covid etc...), voted for the other 'viable' centre (albeit left) party.

I don't think those middle ground (particularly if they dont really follow politics) will be voting Labour at the next GE, given the ongoing decline in quality of life, cost of living... regardless if another government would have realistically fayred much better or not... in overall scheme of things.

Seems too soon to vote Conservative after their previous stint?
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Way too soon for me to go Cons. At the moment I havent seen anything from Labour that would stop me voting for them again. A bit of U turning but Im someone who thinks thats a good thing for a politician to admit their wrong. Besides, I think my current MP is the best we've had for the town.

My issue with the Greens is that policies like Nuclear deterrents make them a no go for a parliamentary election but I might vote for them in local councils.

Labour have been very "meh" nationally. I dont think they've really done anything wrong but then they've not really done anything at all. Which I guess is a nice change since the last lot. People call Starmer the worst MP ever on social media while hes been bland and John Major like which I am fine with. An anecdote to the orange one over the pond. Actually, that is something Starmer has done well...his tight rope walk management of Trump. Think hes handled him well.
 
Druss said:
Way too soon for me to go Cons. At the moment I havent seen anything from Labour that would stop me voting for them again. A bit of U turning but Im someone who thinks thats a good thing for a politician to admit their wrong. Besides, I think my current MP is the best we've had for the town.

My issue with the Greens is that policies like Nuclear deterrents make them a no go for a parliamentary election but I might vote for them in local councils.

Labour have been very "meh" nationally. I dont think they've really done anything wrong but then they've not really done anything at all. Which I guess is a nice change since the last lot. People call Starmer the worst MP ever on social media while hes been bland and John Major like which I am fine with. An anecdote to the orange one over the pond. Actually, that is something Starmer has done well...his tight rope walk management of Trump. Think hes handled him well.
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Greens also have some 'interesting' Muslims aligned with them, who've been uncovered,exposed as dubious/unsavoury characters and backgrounds.

Assuming because of greens gaza, Palestine, middle east stances.

I don't have a problem with Muslims per see, but I most definitely do not want the kinds ive mentioned getting an semblance of signficant power, influence in this country.

Anyone thinking about voting Green should look into this.
 
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Red_till_im_ded said:
Big day for both Reform and Labour. Expecting, hoping for , big gains for Reform and big losses for Labour. Suspecting the loony Greens will do quite well and Lib Dems also. Yes, im a Reform voter. No, im not a racist, fascist, Doc Martin wearing, Union jack braces wearing, neo nazi. Yes, I do have a skinhead type haircut but thats due to hairloss rather than my political choice. I will watching/ listening to today's news as it progresses, with interest.
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As I mentioned, people need to look into some of the characters aligned with Greens now. They're arent purely 'eco' focused pacifists.

Some quite unsavoury characters amongst them. How any rational/somewhat mentally stable British person could vote for them if knowing that, is anyones guess.
 
Telly123 said:
As I mentioned, people need to look into some of the characters aligned with Greens now. They're arent purely 'eco' focused pacifists.

Some quite unsavoury characters amongst them. How any rational/somewhat mentally stable British person could vote for them if knowing that, is anyones guess.
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Bit like Reform then, what mentally stable person could vote for them
 
CherryBare said:
Bit like Reform then, what mentally stable person could vote for them
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Thats the problem... who do we vote for?

I wont be voting for Reform, Restore, Greens, lib dem or Labour....


Reason I highlight Greens in recent posts, is thst im not sure people are aware of the kind of people they now have onboard. Beyond eco/pacifists the party tended to be brfore...

Reform are a known quantity by now, i assume. But yes, i couldn't vote for them, as theyve never demonstrated having a comprehensive, in anyway realistic set of policies across the entire spectrum.

I always assumed Farage just happy to be the opposition, making money from speeches on certain subjects, other income streams, lifestyle derived from that, rather than actually wanting to be pm. But who knows.

Theres nothing/very little about reform that gives me slightest confidence around being able to actually run the country (even compared to labour/conservative).

People are choosing Greens or reform as feel let down by the main parties, so time for a change, as can it get any worse... Well, yes, it can actually...
 
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Telly123 said:
Thats the problem... who do we vote for?

I wont be voting for Reform, Restore, Greens, lib dem or Labour....


Reason I highlight Greens in recent posts, is thst im not sure people are aware of the kind of people they now have onboard. Beyond eco/pacifists the party tended to be brfore...

Reform are a known quantity by now, i assume. But yes, i couldn't vote for them, as theyve never demonstrated having a comprehensive, in anyway realistic set of policies across the entire spectrum.

I always assumed Farage just happy to be the opposition, making money from speeches on certain subjects, other income streams, lifestyle derived from that, rather than actually wanting to be pm. But who knows.

Theres nothing/very little about reform that gives me slightest confidence around being able to actually run the country (even compared to labour/conservative).

People are choosing Greens or reform as feel let down by the main parties, so time for a change, as can it get any worse... Well, yes, it can actually...
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I do feel sorry for the people of the UK, voters only have a small choice of parties to vote for.
Here we have a wider choice of parties to select from 12 in all, from the Social Dems 21% of the vote to the Citizens Party 2% of the votes.
 
Telly123 said:
As I mentioned, people need to look into some of the characters aligned with Greens now. They're arent purely 'eco' focused pacifists.

Some quite unsavoury characters amongst them. How any rational/somewhat mentally stable British person could vote for them if knowing that, is anyones guess.
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Trying to get some of the hoarded money off the multinationals and mega rich offshore is their biggest selling point for me - but the leader is worrying me for the comments about trans men in womens sport (something that 99% of people are against) and the silly comments about the police tackling the stabber in Golders Green.

Like Druss said, Starmer isn't perfect but being bland seems really frustrating for lots of folk, but it's what we need at the moment.

We just need more sensible discussion politics wise, but it's increasingly hard.
 
Telly123 said:
As I mentioned, people need to look into some of the characters aligned with Greens now. They're arent purely 'eco' focused pacifists.

Some quite unsavoury characters amongst them. How any rational/somewhat mentally stable British person could vote for them if knowing that, is anyones guess.
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Brian always reckoned that he voted Green.
 
beds cherry said:
Trying to get some of the hoarded money off the multinationals and mega rich offshore is their biggest selling point for me - but the leader is worrying me for the comments about trans men in womens sport (something that 99% of people are against) and the silly comments about the police tackling the stabber in Golders Green.

Like Druss said, Starmer isn't perfect but being bland seems really frustrating for lots of folk, but it's what we need at the moment.

We just need more sensible discussion politics wise, but it's increasingly hard.
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How anyone can vote for this lot. This is from their former deputy, who describes the (odd) current flavour of Islamist and gender ideology as a 'danger to society':

Imo it seems at odds with historical left progressive ,liberal 'your' party... getting comfy in bed with conservative islamists. Seemingly over gaza middle east...? I know theres a stereotype around 'irrational' left, but this appears another level of bizarre. Surely better to tell them to form their own party... hope it's not a trojan horse attempt by hiding under this banner, and people not realising until too late... that would be a whole new level of stupid/ignorance from voters... unless (i assume) mentally ill.


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former deputy leader of the Green Party, Dr Shahrar Ali — and he did not hold back. Dr Ali described the Green Party as "an actual danger to society", citing what he called an "unholy alliance of Islamists and gender ideologues" that has taken hold of the organisation.

The party has undergone a dramatic transformation since Zack Polanski became leader in 2025. Membership has exploded from 68,000 to 215,000, and the party gained another voice in Parliament when Hannah Spencer won the Gorton and Denton by-election — a historically safe Labour seat.

"As somebody who does self-identify as a Muslim, I keep my religion out of politics — it's as simple as that. And I think religion has to be kept out — within reason — of politics, which should be a secular space. When I campaign as a Green candidate, I campaign first and foremost as a Green."

Despite the treatment that Shahrar — and many other traditional Green Party members — have faced for holding gender-critical views, he still sees his future within the party. Dr Ali said: "I want to get back into the party because they are an actual danger to society. What's happened now is this unholy alliance between Islamists and gender ideologues. The best thing that the Green Party can do at the moment is to say to all those Islamists in the party: go and form your own party."
 
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Thought I would have a look at the Green website.

Do they want to leave NATO?

The Green Party recognises that NATO has an important role in ensuring the ability of its member states to respond to threats to their security. We would work within NATO to achieve:

  • A greater focus on global peacebuilding.
  • A commitment to a ‘No First Use’ of nuclear weapons.
greenparty.org.uk

A Fairer, Greener World - Green Party

Real hope.Real change. In a world threatened by war, climate breakdown and the rise of authoritarian regimes, the Green Party believes that the UK’s foreign policy should be based on shared commitments to democracy, peace, global solidarity and the protection of human rights. Green MPs will work...
greenparty.org.uk greenparty.org.uk
 
labour hierarchy telling their soon-to-be-jobless ex-councillors not to speak to the media and, for heaven's sake, do not blub in front of the returning officer and on camera :ROFLMAO:
 
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