Stanislas & Surridge

Garbo

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#21
...hopefully they will touch elbows and make up, but Steve Cook and Jason should be sitting down with Stan and reminding him of his responsibilities as a more senior player that it is encouragemnet taht younger players want not rants!
 
#22
Stan's attitude last night sums up everything I hated, and still hate about playing football.

Every team has one moaning gobshite who thinks he knows everything about the game and what you should and shouldn't have done. 90+minutes of complaints in your ear every time you touch the ball.

From bitter experience, it does no good; it usually stops the player from playing his instictive game.

I'm sure now when Sam goes through on goal, for a brief moment he'll look for Stan just in case he's anywhere near wanting the ball.

Last night could wreck a potential AFCB legends confidence.


We're not all built from the same mould on the pitch, it takes all sorts.

Eddie was, for a while, a genius at getting 11 very different people to play as a unit.


I hope JT learnt something from him.
 
#23
Stan's attitude last night sums up everything I hated, and still hate about playing football.

Every team has one moaning gobshite who thinks he knows everything about the game and what you should and shouldn't have done. 90+minutes of complaints in your ear every time you touch the ball.

From bitter experience, it does no good; it usually stops the player from playing his instictive game.

I'm sure now when Sam goes through on goal, for a brief moment he'll look for Stan just in case he's anywhere near wanting the ball.

Last night could wreck a potential AFCB legends confidence.


We're not all built from the same mould on the pitch, it takes all sorts.

Eddie was, for a while, a genius at getting 11 very different people to play as a unit.


I hope JT learnt something from him.

I remember playing against a team from Winton who had a player like that - every decision, he questioned. Argued with refs, teammates and the opposition alike.

Away from the pitch you couldn't meet a nicer bloke.

It was strange
 
#24
I can only think Sam has said something there to provoke that reaction. Either way Stan out of line for the shoving, no problem with him grilling people as a senior player as long as he's not going overboard as he has here.

99/100 times this happens Sam puts his hand up and that's the end of it.
 
#25
I think if the Sam incident hadn't happened we wouldn't be talking about the Kelly incident. Kelly really should have read that pass and the way he stopped was annoying. So I'm Ok with that one.

It was the double up with the Sam one that is making it more high profile - twice in a game is odd especially from someone like Stan who normally seems so upbeat.

Last night wasn't pretty and given the context of our form and theirs, we should have been well clear and in a party mood a la Huddersfield. As it was there was a lot of aggro on the pitch with niggles, time wasting, red cards, frustrating play.... Tempers were definitely up.

I think it's very bad form to have an on field scuffle. they last long in the memory (fights over penalties usually!). What the club need to do is release training photos from today/tomorrow which show spirits between Sam/Stan back up high again. A few smiles. then we can all move on. It happened once, get over it. If it happens again though...... :downer:
 
#26
Unfortunately I don’t think this is going to go away. Jason has got a job on his hands trying to sort it out. In my experience of managing teams in a workforce the only solution is to remove one or other of the parties. Resentment festers unless the individuals are quite unusual characters. In an average workplace it’s quite easy to shift one person to another department but that’s not an option here.
 
#28
Our manager’s take on it below and I think he is right, our team wanted to win that game and maybe Stanislas thought he had a better opportunity to score (not sure he had looking at footage again), but for me Surridge’s job as a striker is to score goals and so he shot for goal but it was deflected for a corner.


Echo

Asked for his take on the incident, Tindall said: “For me it just goes to show the passion of the team and how much they want to win – how much each game means to them.

“You don’t want to see what happened but it’s no different to what happens up and down the country on the training ground from time-to-time.

“There’s no hard feelings between the two of them. They were just frustrated at the time and passion probably got the better of both of them.

“But they are in the changing room now, all fine, all laughing, all joking, still united and it’s all forgotten.”

Asked whether the incident did not look good on the club, Tindall told the Daily Echo: “You don’t want to see it.

“There is no jazzing it up to make it look any better but for me that’s just passion from the two players – how much winning the game meant to them.

“That’s all it was. I put it down to great passion, I want my players to play with passion every time they put on the red and black shirt.
 
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#29
I like to see a bit of passion about our players, it's what has been missing in some of our games this season. It'll all be forgotten this morning and if it isn't so what ? A lot of us tolerate our workmates because we have to, not because we particularly get on well with them.
 

MB1980

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#31
Unfortunately I don’t think this is going to go away. Jason has got a job on his hands trying to sort it out. In my experience of managing teams in a workforce the only solution is to remove one or other of the parties. Resentment festers unless the individuals are quite unusual characters. In an average workplace it’s quite easy to shift one person to another department but that’s not an option here.
I disagree, not everyone bares grudges... a sign of immaturity, amongst other things if people can;t get over something like this. Bit different to finding out a colleague is sleeping with your wife.

I've seen bustups over the years in the office and can't recall anyone being moved on or it causing long lasting repercussions.
 
#32
I’ve seen the two clips I’ve posted about.

I don’t think it needs a forensic analysis to apportion blame solely on one person.

No one learns anything from it that way. Stanislas takes responsibility for his part and Surridge takes responsibility for his part and they move on.
I think one thing we have learned from this both players are passionate about the team they both play in. It was probably frustration things were not going their way. The end result is what matters, soon forgotten. We are going to have games like this where teams set up to stop us playing & we need to learn how to break them down. Let them both sort this out without us getting on their backs , 3 points is what we needed. lets look forward to the next game.
 

MB1980

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#33
Stan's attitude last night sums up everything I hated, and still hate about playing football.

Every team has one moaning gobshite who thinks he knows everything about the game and what you should and shouldn't have done. 90+minutes of complaints in your ear every time you touch the ball.

From bitter experience, it does no good; it usually stops the player from playing his instictive game.

I'm sure now when Sam goes through on goal, for a brief moment he'll look for Stan just in case he's anywhere near wanting the ball.

Last night could wreck a potential AFCB legends confidence.


We're not all built from the same mould on the pitch, it takes all sorts.

Eddie was, for a while, a genius at getting 11 very different people to play as a unit.


I hope JT learnt something from him.
That may be the case, but I don;t think it will effect a pro footballer that much... I'd expect them to be made of sterner stuff mentally, otherwise they're probably not going to amount to much in elite sport anyway.

It's different to Sunday League football (assuming lower levels of that as well), where people turn up hungover, smoking fags on the side line and treat it more as an extension of their social life or a laugh, rather than professionals playing near the peak of the sport.
 
#34
Teddy Sheringham and Andy Cole famously never spoke to each other at Man Utd. Dwight Yorke had to act as a go-between when one needed to say something to the other. Which is incredible when you think who the manager was and that was the era of their treble winning season.

Last night wasn't like that though. Junior overstepped the mark in his manner of making a point. Twice. Sam overreacted when he was the recipient of one of those. As long as it's a one off then you can let it go but it was pretty unedifying to see.

If I was the AFCB media team I'd try and have some fun with it. Get them to have a FIFA match against each other for AFCB tv where they give each other some grief but actually have a laugh. Defuse the whole thing and turn it into a joke.
 
#35
I think if the Sam incident hadn't happened we wouldn't be talking about the Kelly incident. Kelly really should have read that pass and the way he stopped was annoying. So I'm Ok with that one.

It was the double up with the Sam one that is making it more high profile - twice in a game is odd especially from someone like Stan who normally seems so upbeat.

Last night wasn't pretty and given the context of our form and theirs, we should have been well clear and in a party mood a la Huddersfield. As it was there was a lot of aggro on the pitch with niggles, time wasting, red cards, frustrating play.... Tempers were definitely up.

I think it's very bad form to have an on field scuffle. they last long in the memory (fights over penalties usually!). What the club need to do is release training photos from today/tomorrow which show spirits between Sam/Stan back up high again. A few smiles. then we can all move on. It happened once, get over it. If it happens again though...... :downer:
I wasn't okay with the Kelly incident. Stanislas played the ball too close to the Defender. From the moment the ball left Stan's foot, Kelly was second favourite. Stan had acres to play it into. It was a poor ball and I would have left it if I was Kelly.

I don't want to turn this into a 'let's bash Stanislas' session as I love his creativity and skill and value him highly as a player but he needs to drop some of this worrying arrogance and greed that has manifested since he started scoring a few goals, or he'll find himself left out of the squad.
 
#36
The Kelly pass happened right in front of me as I was sat by the away section. I think whether it was a bad pass by Stan or poor decision making by Kelly depends on what they’ve been working on in training.

Kelly was starting to make a run to take up a wide position, either to receive the ball outside or to distract the defender allowing Stan to cut inside. Fair enough and, given Kelly’s movement, it was a poor pass.

If, however, they’ve been working in training on something like that trademark Man City goal where you work it to someone on the byeline near the edge of the six yard box and they cut it back for an in rushing team mate, then the pass was fine (if a bit heavy) and it was poor anticipation by Kelly.

Either way the pair of them chuntered away to each other to the extent that Steve Cook spoke to each of them, presumably telling them to get over it.
 
#37
The Kelly pass happened right in front of me as I was sat by the away section. I think whether it was a bad pass by Stan or poor decision making by Kelly depends on what they’ve been working on in training.

Kelly was starting to make a run to take up a wide position, either to receive the ball outside or to distract the defender allowing Stan to cut inside. Fair enough and, given Kelly’s movement, it was a poor pass.

If, however, they’ve been working in training on something like that trademark Man City goal where you work it to someone on the byeline near the edge of the six yard box and they cut it back for an in rushing team mate, then the pass was fine (if a bit heavy) and it was poor anticipation by Kelly.

Either way the pair of them chuntered away to each other to the extent that Steve Cook spoke to each of them, presumably telling them to get over it.
Yes , right in front of us in the East Stand - I thought it was a poor pass as Kelly was moving to either accept it wider or drag the defender to create space - the geezer sat near me I spoke to thought exactly the same ....
Cookie stepped in and tried to defuse it but I don’t think it did much .
Daniels/Pugh they are not ...
 
#38
I like to see a bit of passion about our players, it's what has been missing in some of our games this season. It'll all be forgotten this morning and if it isn't so what ? A lot of us tolerate our workmates because we have to, not because we particularly get on well with them.
This is very true - there are people at my work who I wouldn’t mix with out of work and others that are great friends and have been for years ...
One bloke I worked with hated people !
He would sit in his own at breakfast in the canteen , always miserable in the mornings, always looked unhappy.
But he openly admitted he couldn’t be bothered with anyone most of the time ...
But he was bloody good at his job , was well liked by everyone and had a very funny dry sense of humour underneath it all ...
 
#39
Stanislas was the instigator for both of those confrontations. He seemed to overact given the situation.
The points he was making carried some validity, but his execution was off.

Unless there are previous behind the scenes I would hope a kiss and make up is all that’s required.
 
#40
Yes , right in front of us in the East Stand - I thought it was a poor pass as Kelly was moving to either accept it wider or drag the defender to create space - the geezer sat near me I spoke to thought exactly the same ....
Cookie stepped in and tried to defuse it but I don’t think it did much .
Daniels/Pugh they are not ...
From where I was sat in the South near the East, right near the pair of them, this was also my view of it. Stan's pass was miscued, it was mostly his fault. Kelly made roughly the correct line of his run, wide of the defender, to create more space. Stan just played the ball too near to the defender. It was a simple 10 yard pass and it was frustrating.

With a better understanding perhaps they both would have done that overlap differently, as you say with Daniels/Pugh, we were spoiled.

I just think Stan had a bad night all round, just like he had a bad game on Saturday. Danjuma will be knocking on JT's door for the LW position shortly. Stan probably knows it, and is getting frustrated. Thankfully he can still pull goals out of otherwise bad games! An absolute belter in Saturday's case. He's a good enough player to do that at this level. We're lucky to have these options.

It's going to be a test for JT to manage.
 
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