Where We Are: An Alternative View

Brents Goulet

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Many people are either Remain (we are lucky to be where we are, just look at Chester, so don’t challenge anything) or Brexit (Howe has lost the plot, his staff aren’t up to scratch, the players don’t care because they are all millionaires). As a fanbase we are becoming increasingly tribal, whereas the truth probably sits somewhere in between

The last two matches have highlighted what many of us have known for some time. Things aren’t quite right. We have what must be our most talented squad on paper, yet from game 11 onwards we’ve struggled for any kind of consistency. It’s ironic that we all fear losing Ake, Fraser, Wilson and Brooks this summer, and yet in the past two matches we have looked appalling with all four in the starting eleven

But some of the things I’ve read on here, and on Twitter, have been incredible

If Fraser doesn’t want to play for us, he can rot in our reserves…..really!? On Saturday he could have had 3 assists if his crosses had been finished properly; just before HT he took another crunching tackle which left him limping yet still finished the match. Have we ever had a more committed player? His next move/contract is critical for him, we don’t know the back story, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt

Why the hell did EH drop Boruc?? Begovic is woefully short of confidence, but there will be a very good reason why EH dropped Boruc to bring him back. We don’t know it, which makes the decision seem baffling, but we know enough to know there will be something. On this EH deserves the benefit of the doubt

Why the hell doesn’t he change his coaching staff?? Maybe, nothing lasts forever. But this could still be the coaching staff which gets us to a best ever league finish, or within a few points of it. We all support the manager, but the manager has to choose the staff he trusts, rates, and feels comfortable with. We know enough about EH to know what he demands from everybody, including himself, on a daily basis. This is a man who, after all, films training and studies and analyses it on a daily basis. So on choosing his coaching staff I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt

Why the hell doesn’t he play 3 in central midfield? Ok so help me out here…..Lerma, Gosling and who? (and most don’t want Gosling to ever wear the shirt again). The truth is we have lost 3 senior central midfielders (Lewis Cook and Andrew Surman are out for the season, and Harry wanted out for personal reasons). We took a 700k punt on Hyndman which hasn’t worked out, and Kyle Taylor probably isn’t the answer against Burnley

We lack leaders…….yes, we do. Our medical room however is full of them. Club captain Simon Francis, vice-captain Andrew Surman, stand in captain Steve Cook, stand in for the stand in Charlie Daniels, and Lewis Cook, the only man other than Booby Moore to captain his country to a World Cup win. So while all clubs have their fair share of injuries, we’ve lost a lot of leaders. Of course others need to step up, but not everyone is a natural born leader. Nathan Ake is probably the best defender we’ve ever seen play for us, but a natural born leader he doesn’t yet appear to be

And yet I can’t deny that my drive back to London where I live after Saturday’s match was depressing. And I agree we are at an interesting point in time, with a very big summer ahead, and unless we sort out some basic issue we may well struggle next season. But that’s been the case in every season we’ve been in the Premier League. And probably always will. Because like at least 13 of the 20 teams in the division, we have no divine right to be here and could drop out at any point.

The only thing we do have is a brilliant manager. Who never hides, never ducks responsibility, never pulls any punches in post-match interviews, and has a track record of finding solutions to problems. So as per the theme of my words above, I think he more than anyone else deserves the benefit of the doubt in some of these areas. And some of the more reactive things written since Saturday appear to forget this.
 
Agree with plenty of this BG

We are very short on midfielders and it really doesn't help, with our obvious need to beef that area up at present. But what I would add on the midfield question, is that a spine of 3 centre backs plus Gosling Lerma and then a Brooks or Fraser in as number 10 just in front of midfield, provides the legs we need to cover our currently fragile central department.

With that, you have a CB moving up the pitch a bit when in possession to help midfield, whilst the attacking midfielder moves up to support the centre forward. And then when out of possession you have the attacking midfielder able to drop back and make a 3 man midfield whilst the 3 CBs do their thing.

And it's exactly this sort of positional and tactical fluidity that is a hallmark of Howe's successful sides. Howe's successful 4-4-2 sides have never been the rigid 4-4-2 that we're currently seeing.

That and also don't remove your central midfield altogether, just hoping for the best when it's clearly doomed to fail. That was moronic from Eddie and one of the most bizarre calls he's made in all his years.
 
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Moronic?! Or he had a very good reason to sub Lerma that we just don't know about. I know this is a message board and I'm honestly not trying to kill debate. But to assume it was a moronic call is disrespectful to a manager who is way too clever to warrant it. How did we all get so tribal?!
 
You called for somewhere in the middle then proceeded to give an ultra remainer sermon on no rocking the boat and all criticisms are invalid as forgive them lord , they know not what goes no behind the scenes .
 
Couldn’t Brooks play in the ten role to give the third midfielder and the player between the lines with creativity and vision we crave?

Yes that still means Gosling is playing but he would be better in a three.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that every single central midfielder since promotion has been severely criticised at times (Lerma starting to get it) and everyone of them has normally been in a formation where they have been outnumbered. Can they all be that bad? Or is it they are not set up to succeed?
 
You called for somewhere in the middle then proceeded to give an ultra remainer sermon on no rocking the boat and all criticisms are invalid as forgive them lord , they know not what goes no behind the scenes .
I mean, I didn't. I just think the style and tone of criticism, and the tribalism in some parts, is a little unnecessary that's all. You don't agree?
 
Couldn’t Brooks play in the ten role to give the third midfielder and the player between the lines with creativity and vision we crave?

Yes that still means Gosling is playing but he would be better in a three.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that every single central midfielder since promotion has been severely criticised at times (Lerma starting to get it) and everyone of them has normally been in a formation where they have been outnumbered. Can they all be that bad? Or is it they are not set up to succeed?
Fair, although Brooks has played as a 10 at times too. Admittedly not often. And in honesty, has any player NOT been criticised since promotion. Ake and Brooks aside, they all have. Because we are playing in the most unforgiving league in the world. I'm not sure it's exclusively a midfield thing.
 
...I have heard a rumour that we are carrying massive debt (70-100million) that we may not be able to sustain into the near future...admittedly it was in my local from someone in business who apparently 'knows people'...

I doubted this...but the guy was adamant that we are in trouble?

I told him that we could just sell a few players and clear any debt!
 
Alternative views are the Lifeblood of a Cherry !

Aston Villa and N.Forest spent most of the season in the mid-table below us......both previous Euro Cup winners!

With 5 games to go Everton in 9th place are only just mathematically safe from relegation!

Mid- Table in the PL is a false term really. A dangerous insurance!
Its a two - tier league as we have been aware of for several years.
So 'mid- table' is very much closer the bottom!

But, If we aimed for 13 wins each season ..39 points.
Thats roughly, just 1 win, home or away, against each of the teams outside the top section of six! 13 wins from 26 games..just half of them! Thats were DC as a fortress comes in!

We Cherries have won exactly one third of our games. Lost or drawn two thirds. That type of record usually ensures safety. If the wins fall below a third...that becomes the worry..its then down to how many draws you can scrape!
Southamptons 9 draws against Cardiffs 5 draws reflects that.

Going the other way....if the Cherries had drawn 7 of the defeats we would still be only 11th on 45 points!
 
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...I have heard a rumour that we are carrying massive debt (70-100million) that we may not be able to sustain into the near future...admittedly it was in my local from someone in business who apparently 'knows people'...

I doubted this...but the guy was adamant that we are in trouble?

I told him that we could just sell a few players and clear any debt!

Then why the announcement they are going ahead with the training pitches?
 
Then why the announcement they are going ahead with the training pitches?
...not saying that I believed it...just annoying that it is someone I know quite well and wouldn't just be a person trying to wind me up... I am sure that we are carrying some debt but with another season at the 'trough' to come I can't think that we are in any real danger of imploding financially?
 
Alternative views are the Lifeblood of a Cherry !

Aston Villa and N.Forest spent most of the season in the mid-table below us......both previous Euro Cup winners!

With 5 games to go Everton in 9th place are only just mathematically safe from relegation!

Mid- Table in the PL is a false term really. A dangerous insurance!
Its a two - tier league as we have been aware of for several years.
So 'mid- table' is very much closer the bottom!

But, If we aimed for 13 wins each season ..39 points.
Thats roughly, just 1 win, home or away, against each of the teams outside the top section of six! 13 wins from 26 games..just half of them! Thats were DC as a fortress comes in!

We Cherries have won exactly one third of our games. Lost or drawn two thirds. That type of record usually ensures safety. If the wins fall below a third...that becomes the worry..its then down to how many draws you can scrape!
Southamptons 9 draws against Cardiffs 5 draws reflects that.

Going the other way....if the Cherries had drawn 7 of the defeats we would still be only 11th on 45 points!

Now I'm very confused....I understood every word of a BMcG post?

What's happening with the world?
 
Carry on paying Defoe in any way is a good way to go ? Or a few shopping trips up Mersey Bargain Centre !

Those buckets .....plastic or made from rustproof alloy, cant remember ?... anyway break em out ready!
 
...not saying that I believed it...just annoying that it is someone I know quite well and wouldn't just be a person trying to wind me up... I am sure that we are carrying some debt but with another season at the 'trough' to come I can't think that we are in any real danger of imploding financially?
Wouldn't it show up in the accounts?.....i thought that was what they were for.
 
Fact is we know we are indebted by multi multi millions to our owner - it's not news and not disturbing as long as it is friendly debt. Most PL clubs and many in the Championship have massive debts to their owners.
...anyway who knows? (only those closely tied to the club, I guess?)...I am just enjoying the ride still and will do the same next season....and the next...and next health prevailing!
 
...not saying that I believed it...just annoying that it is someone I know quite well and wouldn't just be a person trying to wind me up... I am sure that we are carrying some debt but with another season at the 'trough' to come I can't think that we are in any real danger of imploding financially?

Amazing how these people all come out of the woodwork once we go through a bad patch. The smhintos of the pub world, all willing the stitching to come unraveled so they can be hailed as some kind of prophet. I don't think it's a wind up thing, I think it's a genuine ego trip for some people. The same people who in school would spread rumours to elevate their own status. Whose social groups consist mainly of other conspiracy theorists with nothing better to do.

Ask for hard evidence or tell them to pipe down and support instead of destabilising the club.
 

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