VAR
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canadiancherry
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watched on tv. Don't think Ref saw the elbow initially. Could have been a red but to be fair he held his elbow out and then moved into the player. It wasn't a swinging motion like Zlatan on Mings. I thought yellow was the right result.
I'm not sure if the problem is with ref incompetence or just technical incompetence (taking too long to review the play from different angles). It was worth taking time to get it right because it could have meant the end of Chile's hopes had they gone down to 10 men in the final.
northstandmark
UTC Legend
Interesting VAR instance yesterday in the Dutch league, something I think DJ has posed before as a 'what if' and it's probably as bad as he feared!:
A penalty shout that should have been given wasn't, and defending team having got away with it swiftly goes up the other end of the pitch and scores. Being the first chance the ref got with the game stopped, he then went over to check the video of the penalty shout, and then gave it. Ruling the subsequent goal out. Footage below:
https://twitter.com/Sporf/status/893952887138787328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23893952887138787328
Surely what should have happened here is the VAR takes a bit of imitative and looks at the controversial incident immediately, as Sky would. And then the VAR can have a word in the refs ear as the game is proceeding up the other end of the pitch? Getting the ref to wait for the game to stop, in this instance a 'goal' being scored, before he can jog over to see a TV on the sideline, then taking a fair time about making his mind up, it seems rather clumsy.
A penalty shout that should have been given wasn't, and defending team having got away with it swiftly goes up the other end of the pitch and scores. Being the first chance the ref got with the game stopped, he then went over to check the video of the penalty shout, and then gave it. Ruling the subsequent goal out. Footage below:
https://twitter.com/Sporf/status/893952887138787328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23893952887138787328
Surely what should have happened here is the VAR takes a bit of imitative and looks at the controversial incident immediately, as Sky would. And then the VAR can have a word in the refs ear as the game is proceeding up the other end of the pitch? Getting the ref to wait for the game to stop, in this instance a 'goal' being scored, before he can jog over to see a TV on the sideline, then taking a fair time about making his mind up, it seems rather clumsy.
SlowDownDerek
UTC Legend
That Dutch incident was horrendous. The crowd were laughing at how ridiculous it was to wait for the ref to jog over and watch on a laptop at the side of the pitch.
Interestingly Gary Lineker said that he didn't see anything wrong because the outcome was correct. This, in my mind, illustrates why players/pundits will never really understand the game from a fan's point of view. For people who are paid to play/watch football the correct answer is the be all and end all - their livelihood depends on it so it they don't mind the game being interrupted if you eventually get the right answer.
The fan's perspective is completely different. We are there for the experience. Football is a brilliant sport but if there is any flaw it is probably that so few goals are scored - some games none at all. On the flip side this means that when a goal is scored the euphoria is greater than most other sports and is one of the reasons football is so popular.
That Dutch game is an example of how to destroy the entertainment factor when goals are scored - truly horrendous. We know from cricket and other sports that once technology comes in refs/umps tend to rely on it for any decision where there is some doubt. This would mean the majority of penalties and half of all other goals - there's always something.
As a supporter I'd much rather put up with the odd dodgy decision than suffer the wait for all goals to be verified before we can celebrate. Pundits just don't see the game like this.
Interestingly Gary Lineker said that he didn't see anything wrong because the outcome was correct. This, in my mind, illustrates why players/pundits will never really understand the game from a fan's point of view. For people who are paid to play/watch football the correct answer is the be all and end all - their livelihood depends on it so it they don't mind the game being interrupted if you eventually get the right answer.
The fan's perspective is completely different. We are there for the experience. Football is a brilliant sport but if there is any flaw it is probably that so few goals are scored - some games none at all. On the flip side this means that when a goal is scored the euphoria is greater than most other sports and is one of the reasons football is so popular.
That Dutch game is an example of how to destroy the entertainment factor when goals are scored - truly horrendous. We know from cricket and other sports that once technology comes in refs/umps tend to rely on it for any decision where there is some doubt. This would mean the majority of penalties and half of all other goals - there's always something.
As a supporter I'd much rather put up with the odd dodgy decision than suffer the wait for all goals to be verified before we can celebrate. Pundits just don't see the game like this.
Neil Dawson
UTC Legend
Spot on.
stanthevan
UTC Legend
...but having witnessed VAR in the Italian league, we could do without it. It slows the game down and causes as much controversy as it alleviates.
London Cherry
First Team
I saw this clip too; surely managers should get a maximum of 1/2 challenges a game (like other sports) so the game isn’t slowed down too much?!
Ken Baileys Ghost
Plastic
I'm all for it.
Those breaks would give me a chance to go to the toilet without missing anything.
Those breaks would give me a chance to go to the toilet without missing anything.
bigfatolly
Star Player
Imagine Republicans wrath when all the baby boom pensioners start getting up to take a leak.
It will really upset them as games will finish later and they can't get their cocoa at normal time.
stanthevan
UTC Legend
Can you see Mike Dean walking up to a screen and admitting he was wrong? Not gonna happen!
SlowDownDerek
UTC Legend
It's a no from me.
SteveJonesLegend
Fans' Favourite
Personally I think its needed, but it MUST be done right... and god knows they've had enough time to consider it... There is so much 'gamesmanship' these days, the refs need help...
Arsenal's penalty rulings against them with Chamber's arm and Hazard's challenge last night, for instance... never penalties in a million years, but could cost Arsenal a champions Lg spot...!!!
I'm with London Cherry in that the best and smoothest way is not use it unless Managers challenge a decision... 2 per half, for example, and then the ref is against the clock to change his mind from his original decision... 45 seconds perhaps, so a 'maximum' of 12 additional minutes can be taken...
Otherwise, the game has so many grey areas, we'll be stopping it ever time someone makes. challenge...
Arsenal's penalty rulings against them with Chamber's arm and Hazard's challenge last night, for instance... never penalties in a million years, but could cost Arsenal a champions Lg spot...!!!
I'm with London Cherry in that the best and smoothest way is not use it unless Managers challenge a decision... 2 per half, for example, and then the ref is against the clock to change his mind from his original decision... 45 seconds perhaps, so a 'maximum' of 12 additional minutes can be taken...
Otherwise, the game has so many grey areas, we'll be stopping it ever time someone makes. challenge...
