VAR

Tinpot Club - 9/1/2018 01:26

It’s too late for me to decipher the sarcasm or ironic complaints of the system. However, on this occasion it worked perfectly. No clear and obvious errors were committed, there was no delay of game and neither manager had any complaint over the brief possibility of a review which was swiftly deemed not necessary.

More of the same please!
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Admittedly I haven't watched the game nor seen any highlights. But in conclusion are we saying it all worked perfectly because it wasn't actually used?
 
Mention of a delay before a goal is awarded. We had that with callum's goal recently. And with forest's penalty v arsenal. It happens whether there's a video review or not.
 
SlowDownDerek - 8/1/2018 23:11

afcb_rednblack - 8/1/2018 23:07


Yes, I felt the same way when the justice system introduced prison sentences for serious crime like murder. Oh how I miss the immediacy, the agony and the ecstasy of a good hanging, so much anticipation, fun and entertainment for all the family...
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Were you watching the justice system as a form of entertainment before the invention of prisons?
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TBH until they abolished hanging the delay in proceedings while we went to the judge's verdict "The question is, will he hang or just go to jail for life" was really quite thrilling.

I'm hoping for the same kind of thrill when we wait for the verdict on a Zaha dive.

The next logical step for me would be to reintroduce hanging.

For diving.

Live (potentially dead) football would have Strictly off the top spot in about five minutes.


That is until the "Dance Off" became the "Dance Off Of Death".







 
From the BBC report:
"At the time, several Crystal Palace players protested because they felt Murray had deflected Uwe Hunemeier's header over the line with his hand.

Referee Andre Marriner did discuss the incident with the VAR team through his earpiece but he did not consult the pitch-side monitor because he was satisfied Murray's goal was legitimate."

Thats the ideal, the VAR offical sees it in real time on the screen from a camera angle different to the refs angle. They have a quick chat and determine they both agree. Then theres no need for the ref to go himself and look at the screen causing the big delay. You get the benefit without the main drawback.

In this instance VAR worked in the same way as when a ref would check in with a linesmen.

Thats how id personally like it. If course if they disagree thats when the delay comes in the current implementation.
 
Once VAR is fully in operation surely horrendous errors like "hand of god" and Koemans "yellow/RED" card against Platt in 93 would be a thing of the past and that must be good for the game.

Just like goal line technology Lampard v Germany 2010 and Readings "ghost" goal v Watford in 2008 would now quickly be corrected.

Additionally surely players are less likely to cheat.
 
DJ - 9/1/2018 07:16

Tinpot Club - 9/1/2018 01:26

It’s too late for me to decipher the sarcasm or ironic complaints of the system. However, on this occasion it worked perfectly. No clear and obvious errors were committed, there was no delay of game and neither manager had any complaint over the brief possibility of a review which was swiftly deemed not necessary.

More of the same please!
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Admittedly I haven't watched the game nor seen any highlights. But in conclusion are we saying it all worked perfectly because it wasn't actually used?
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I watched the game. It was used, but conversations were quick and no need to go pitch side to review on monitor. As a result, is say it was a success
 
Obviously I'm quite cynical about this - specifically about the impact on the immediacy of goal celebrations in the ground as discussed above.

However, there are clearly aspects of it that can help. Penalties being reviewed every time shouldn't cause any detrimental disruption - same with every borderline red/yellow and off the ball incidents.

The key in cricket was to create an extra point of interest for the fans out of the review system. The technology became an additional part of the coverage and improved the viewer's experience.

Football is obviously different to cricket but the VAR review could become a staple part of half time analysis - the video ref could provide details of what was looked at during play and say why action was or wasn't taken.



 
SlowDownDerek - 8/1/2018 22:07

Yeah and a winning goal against your most hated rivals in the last minute of a cup tie greeted by a flat response and everyone looking at the ref in confusion. The magic of the cup.
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You do realise that's how Murray always celebrates a goal? (unless it's against us for some reason)
 
There is something good about it. It stops all the shenanigans in the penalty area at corners. They know Big Brother is watching!
 
What a fcukin nightmare - stop, stop, stop.

Do the cheaters retrospectively with swingeing penalties when necessary.
 
So far, (note the so far), in the Chelsea V Arsenal Semi, the VAR has worked very well. Two or three times - whilst the game has stopped anyway, we've had an extra delay for 10 -15 seconds or so(?) whilst the ref checks with the VAR that there was nothing extra needed to be done and then play carried on.
What is important is that he didn't need to waste time to run over to the touchline, just being told to carry on.
 
So now the ref asks whether VAR is needed before making a decision? It's happened quicker than I thought.

Plenty on the BBC website saying its slowing the game down, and the ref is using it for non-contentious decisions.
 
I do wonder how VAR may eventually change certain aspects of the game.
For example, offsides: the linesmen are still responsible for flagging offsides, but if a goal is scored a video review is done to ensure there was no offside in the build-up to the goal.

Now, if you are a linesman, and a player is really close to being offside, are you now more likely than before to not raise your flag, knowing that the VAR will catch it anyway if a goal results?
And if both defenders and forwards know that the linesman have changed their behaviour in this way, will this cause them to change the way they play?
I don't have any answers, but I think it will be interesting.
 
canadiancherry - 11/1/2018 00:31

I do wonder how VAR may eventually change certain aspects of the game.
For example, offsides: the linesmen are still responsible for flagging offsides, but if a goal is scored a video review is done to ensure there was no offside in the build-up to the goal.

Now, if you are a linesman, and a player is really close to being offside, are you now more likely than before to not raise your flag, knowing that the VAR will catch it anyway if a goal results?
And if both defenders and forwards know that the linesman have changed their behaviour in this way, will this cause them to change the way they play?
I don't have any answers, but I think it will be interesting.
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It will inevitably change the way the game is played. One example of this would be the tweaks to how offside is now played, with players deliberating standing in offside positions etc.

Once VAR is introduced it will be used more and more for everything too. Once the flood gates are opened...

I see the media are hailing another success based broadly on the fact that the referee made the right decisions anyway and the video wasn't actually used.

Still delayed the game and caused confusion for both managers though.
 
Just waiting for the VAR on the fans.

Republican will watch the video and decide who to ban for needing a wee, getting a coffee, or the ultimate sin of wanting to go home.

We’d have an attendance of 653 after the first VAR assisted home match and all the JCL’ would get season tickets easily.
 
Eventually every goal will be subject to review. You'll half heartedly cheer the goal then wait for confirmation - don't bother going to matches because the experience is geared to the armchair lot.

 
Supposedly, the intervention of the individual remotely reviewing the video should be limited to identifying "clear and obvious errors" in a fairly limited (if important) range of decisions:

Goals
Penalties
Straight red cards
Mistaken identity

I am guessing that the first two include goals and penalties not given. If so, from what I have seen in the two matches so far, VAR need not be intrusive. No more so than the referee consulting the linesman anyway.

The problem will come if there is any mission creep in the type and range of decisions. So, as it stands, I think it is a good thing.
 
VAR by the pgmol for the pgmol

The change from a good referee is one who is never noticed to a good pgmol oficial is always high profile is almost complete.
 
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