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Wee Man’s totally lost his confidence on his delivery. Last year it was excellent. We scored so many goals from his free kicks and corners.

This season he’s put in a few floaty ones to the keeper then he’s overcompensated by hitting the first man. I’ve always said that to do the perfect corner you have to risk hitting the first man occasionally but so far it’s chalk and cheese compared to last season.
 
Valencian said:
I suppose it would make more sense to say for such a great player (which I said when he signed) I thought he didn’t contribute as much as I thought he could. Going down for treatment for such a long time when it seemed nothing more than a finger in his face seemed disappointing to me. He looked like he wanted to come off....
Maybe just tired and Eddie didn’t see it.
Still a great player who improves us overall
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Wtf do you know about how much it hurt him? Armchair expert diagnoses how painful something that happened to someone else is.
 
Just to say I was also going to mention our corner routine which is either short or straight to the keeper and that is never going to produce goals against decent teams aware of that. I also wonder why we continually work them this way as we do seem to waste a lot of opportunities

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[QUOTE="SlowDownDerek, post: 302469, member: 2758"you don't pick players because they are good at free kicks.[/QUOTE]

Blimey! Is that all you think he is good at? Strange comment even by your standards Del.

First there is much more to his game than that.

Second... if what you say is true I’d still pick a player like that for a game where a set piece might be your only chance. Take last year’s game... the one you loved so much that bored most of us to tears. Had we got a free kick in that one towards the end you’d have been happy with Fraser taking it? Set piece delivery is key against top teams because you might not be able to dribble around Van Dijk and Ottamendi as we well know.
 
rickie said:
Just to say I was also going to mention our corner routine which is either short or straight to the keeper and that is never going to produce goals against decent teams aware of that. I also wonder why we continually work them this way as we do seem to waste a lot of opportunities

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We scored goals against Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea from corners last season. There is nothing wrong with our routines. Stats from last season clearly show this. We also had a number of analysis pieces written by intelligent journalists praising our inventive routines.

The issue is simply execution. Delivery has not been up to last season’s standard yet. So to answer your question, of course we will continue to work on these routines until they are back on track
 
Tinpot Club said:
I’ll give you 5 examples of when we’ve played a back 3/5:-

Chelsea 2-1 AFCB (LC)
Chelsea 0-3 AFCB
AFCB 2-1 Arsenal
Burnley 1-2 AFCB
Chelsea 1-0 AFCB (LC)

Do you know what the common denominator was in these 5 games? It was we played either Fraser, Ibe or both as wing backs. In all 5 of these matches, we either won or were the better team for long periods.

The point I’m making here is not that we are particularly good with a back 3/5, but we are much much stronger when at least one of the wing backs is an attacking player.
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Being the better team and not winning isnt really proving the point.
 
Tinpot Club said:
We scored goals against Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea from corners last season. There is nothing wrong with our routines. Stats from last season clearly show this. We also had a number of analysis pieces written by intelligent journalists praising our inventive routines.

The issue is simply execution. Delivery has not been up to last season’s standard yet. So to answer your question, of course we will continue to work on these routines until they are back on track
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I think the problem might be that actual defenders tend to move about ( a bit ) when a corner is about to be taken and it's a trick those white inflatable dummies we train with can only replicate when it's very windy ;)
Agree though, we obviously do have routines, players in the box seem to know their roles. It's just the poor execution of putting the ball into the intended area that is costing us at the moment. Practice, practice, practice !
 
Tinpot Club said:
We scored goals against Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea from corners last season. There is nothing wrong with our routines. Stats from last season clearly show this. We also had a number of analysis pieces written by intelligent journalists praising our inventive routines.

The issue is simply execution. Delivery has not been up to last season’s standard yet. So to answer your question, of course we will continue to work on these routines until they are back on track
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Agree. Yesterday we hit the first man 80% of the time. Fraser in particular was poor but Wilson wasted his one corner too. You could see by the bench reaction that wasn’t the plan.

City are small relatively as a side. We would have said get on the keeper with Ake, Mepham and Billing (we did) and hit that spot (we didn’t). That’s not coaching. That’s execution.
 
RobTrent said:
Being the better team and not winning isnt really proving the point.
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I made a typo in my post which might have contributed to you missing my point. I’ll reclarify.

We are generally poor playing with wing backs. We play better when Fraser plays as a wing back. If you disagree with my point that we play better with Fraser at wing back compared to Daniels or Rico, I’d like to hear your reasons.
 
Maybe it’s my imagination and I’m sure the stats guys will be along to prove me wrong but we do seem to be conceding a lot of pens this season ...but hey We defend them well so not sure how much it matters .
 
Neil Dawson said:
Blimey! Is that all you think he is good at? Strange comment even by your standards Del.

First there is much more to his game than that.

Second... if what you say is true I’d still pick a player like that for a game where a set piece might be your only chance. Take last year’s game... the one you loved so much that bored most of us to tears. Had we got a free kick in that one towards the end you’d have been happy with Fraser taking it? Set piece delivery is key against top teams because you might not be able to dribble around Van Dijk and Ottamendi as we well know.
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Please don't selectively quote me then go on a rant about how your deliberately selective version of what I've said is wrong.

I said I would have considered him. King can also win games such as you described. He's also done more in a cherries shirt than Wilson has, although as I said in the part you deleted from your quote (ballsing up the quote function in your haste to edit it out) I would possibly have started Wilson - not for his free kicks though, that's ridiculous.

My point was that I'd definitely have played with 3/5 at the back.

I liked last year's game as I'd recently spent a fortune watching one of the most depressing defensive displays I've ever seen a few days before (which is saying something) context is important - a hammering in that game could have had a really negative impact on young players confidence. Plus it's as close as we've got to points against them.
 
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Tinpot Club said:
I made a typo in my post which might have contributed to you missing my point. I’ll reclarify.

We are generally poor playing with wing backs. We play better when Fraser plays as a wing back. If you disagree with my point that we play better with Fraser at wing back compared to Daniels or Rico, I’d like to hear your reasons.
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Daniels is a better defender than Fraser. Rico nowhere near as bad as people are making out?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Please don't selectively quote me then go on a rant about how your deliberately selective version of what I've said is wrong.

I said I would have considered him. King can also win games such as you described. He's also done more in a cherries shirt than Wilson has, although as I said in the part you deleted from your quote (ballsing up the quote function in your haste to edit it out) I would possibly have started Wilson - not for his free kicks though, that's ridiculous.

My point was that I'd definitely have played with 3/5 at the back.

I liked last year's game as I'd recently spent a fortune watching one of the most depressing defensive displays I've ever seen a few days before (which is saying something) context is important - a hammering in that game could have had a really negative impact on young players confidence. Plus it's as close as we've got to points against them.
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But nobody had mentioned starting him for his free kicks before you said we shouldn’t. If you get my drift...

I would have played King and Fraser out wide too because your only chance against City is to get them back in their own half and it’s only pace that will do that. I wouldn’t have played five at the back though, with Billing and Lerma sitting deep we don’t have to do that like we used to when we had a smaller, slower midfield. It was tailor made to me for a 4-5-1 with Wilson playing behind Wilson.

Prime example to me was two moves. Look at Harry’s movement and vision to put Calum in behind for his one on one. The ball was so perfect Calum looked quicker than his marker (he isn’t). Contrast that to King in the same position. First minute. Fraser makes same move King can’t play him through as doesn’t have the vision and touch. Has to run on and shoot at the keeper. It’s why to me we won’t hit top form until we get a number ten and King either out wide or as the main striker. At the mo I would have him as the latter probably as he is a better finisher than Wilson imo.
 
Thanks for the report Neil.

Is King your new Rantie. He was probably MoM with what he did in the channels and his tackling, defending as well as running generally.

5 is a joke.
 
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