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With the climate meeting in Scotland coming up and the talk of us doing more to save energy, better insulation of homes, double glazing and now heat pumps to replace existing boilers.

With the cost even with grants, is a lot of money to a good number of people, maybe if they are serious in us doing this, drop the VAT which would cut the cost..
 
billythekid said:
With the climate meeting in Scotland coming up and the talk of us doing more to save energy, better insulation of homes, double glazing and now heat pumps to replace existing boilers.

With the cost even with grants, is a lot of money to a good number of people, maybe if they are serious in us doing this, drop the VAT which would cut the cost..
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I watched this video re Heat Pumps from a builder/installer. Now I have no expertise in this area but it is a bit of an eye opener in some ways - particularly the suitability (or otherwise) of the UK housing stock. I won't be rushing to install one just yet.
 
redharry said:
I watched this video re Heat Pumps from a builder/installer. Now I have no expertise in this area but it is a bit of an eye opener in some ways - particularly the suitability (or otherwise) of the UK housing stock. I won't be rushing to install one just yet.
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That was brilliant and funny, though probably not supposed to be.

Seen those heated jackets advertised!

Like to see this bloke up against Boris or some other government minister on TV.
 
Would love to have a credible option for my gas boiler, one that doesn’t involve ripping out everything internally and externally to get it installed.

Hopefully a better answer will be found because it really needs to be.
 
I think that there is more scope in this technology, especially when combined with the latest developments in large battery design and manufacture: https://www.convertenergy.co.uk/pv-t-hybrid-solar
https://www.cse.org.uk/advice/renewable-energy/battery-storage
The government would be better advised in my view to use taxpayers money to increase the feed-in-tariff for householders to make domestic PV installations more financially viable, especially as the cost of the panels has been decreasing for several years.
 
DJ said:
Would love to have a credible option for my gas boiler, one that doesn’t involve ripping out everything internally and externally to get it installed.

Hopefully a better answer will be found because it really needs to be.
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I certainly won't be swapping out my gas boiler for a heat pump anytime soon. It will be interesting to see where the push for Hydrogen boilers goes. As yet uncharted waters and currently producing the Hydrogen is not cheap and uses a lot of electricity in the process.
I do think some of this may tail off after the razzmatazz of the Climate conference ends, at the moment it is a whole lot of host Gov't virtue signalling about intentions etc. At some point financial reality for the ordinary working family may set in.
 
redharry said:
I certainly won't be swapping out my gas boiler for a heat pump anytime soon. It will be interesting to see where the push for Hydrogen boilers goes. As yet uncharted waters and currently producing the Hydrogen is not cheap and uses a lot of electricity in the process.
I do think some of this may tail off after the razzmatazz of the Climate conference ends, at the moment it is a whole lot of host Gov't virtue signalling about intentions etc. At some point financial reality for the ordinary working family may set in.
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"virtue signalling" lol.
 
There could be a lot of synergy between increasing offshore wind farm electricity generation and hydrogen production.
Wind farms are great for producing energy when the wind blows hard, but there is often a mismatch between when the wind blows and when electricity is required. Building plants to produce hydrogen from surplus wind generated electricity is effectively storing energy in another form that can be used for a variety of purposes. Hopefully there is a lot of R&D going into this at present.
 
redharry said:
I watched this video re Heat Pumps from a builder/installer. Now I have no expertise in this area but it is a bit of an eye opener in some ways - particularly the suitability (or otherwise) of the UK housing stock. I won't be rushing to install one just yet.
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I don't actually disagree with a lot of what he says here but having recently had an Air Source Heat Pump installed in the last round of government Grant schemes, I can say for certain a lot of what his issues are, are not factually correct.
 
zigger zaggar said:
I don't actually disagree with a lot of what he says here but having recently had an Air Source Heat Pump installed in the last round of government Grant schemes, I can say for certain a lot of what his issues are, are not factually correct.
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Oh please elaborate. Generally interested.
 
LewSwimmin said:
There could be a lot of synergy between increasing offshore wind farm electricity generation and hydrogen production.
Wind farms are great for producing energy when the wind blows hard, but there is often a mismatch between when the wind blows and when electricity is required. Building plants to produce hydrogen from surplus wind generated electricity is effectively storing energy in another form that can be used for a variety of purposes. Hopefully there is a lot of R&D going into this at present.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1450440501707083776
 
Maybe I will elaborate more if I get time, but a few things he mentioned;
There is no "buffer tank requirement" an ASHP is just a replacement for a boiler.
Yes it can only really heat water up to a max of about 60°C at a push. Mine is set at 55°C and the hot water tank is set to heat the potable water to 52°C which is still hot enough to scald. You will need a High Gain Hot Water Cylinder to squeeze the most out of the lower temp (than a gas fired boiler) flow and return. The Hot Water Cylinders will have an immersion in them to occasionally heat up to over 60°C to kill off the Legionella. The ASHP (well my Mitsubishi anyway) do not themselves have an immersion in them to "cheat".
I can say that the ASHP is very quiet in operation even on full throttle and by my observations so far it can heat a 300 litre tank of hot water by 10°C in less than 20 minutes.
 
Perhaps if Johnson led the way then others might follow. But he wont. Its one for us plebs to get done.
 
Tronathan82 said:
Hopefully this isn’t a completely noddy question but… I live in an all electric block of flats and haven’t been able to work out whether the current hubbub is actually gas only, or whether I should expect similar rises in my electricity bills. Anyone know?

I assumed energy production and costs were probably linked somewhere along the line but not sure.
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Afraid you can expect increases in electricity costs too. Companies will try to get back some of what they are losing by charging more for electricity.
 
Why do they call them "heat pumps?" Surely, they are just like big air conditioning units?

The guy in the video is well-informed and presents well.
 
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ErikthViking said:
Why do they call them "heat pumps?" Surely, they are just like big air conditioning units?
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They "pump up" the output. They produce more heat than you would get by simply running a simple electric heater using the same amount of electricity by grabbing the latent heat released when the recirculating liquid in the system changes state. Hence his reference to COP (coefficient of performance). The more efficient newer ones can have a COP of up to 4 or 5 in the right conditions IE they produce 4 times as much heat as just burning the electricity would. It would be interesting to know what the average COP is for the one that zigger zaggar has installed.
 
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