VAR

The problem with the Elf cup is that those elves move so darn fast, it's hard for the referees to make a clear judgement without the aid of slow-motion.
It's the same thing for the FAirie Cup.
 
canadiancherry said:
I do wonder how VAR may eventually change certain aspects of the game.
. . . Now, if you are a linesman, and a player is really close to being offside, are you now more likely than before to not raise your flag, knowing that the VAR will catch it anyway if a goal results?
And if both defenders and forwards know that the linesman have changed their behaviour in this way, will this cause them to change the way they play?
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OK, I definitely called this one!
Pierluigi Collina, the chairman of Fifa’s referees committee, said the problems with lengthy delays during trials had been ironed out. The Italian also said assistant referees had been advised to keep their flag down for tight offside calls and to leave it to VAR to decide.​
 
canadiancherry said:
OK, I definitely called this one!
Pierluigi Collina, the chairman of Fifa’s referees committee, said the problems with lengthy delays during trials had been ironed out. The Italian also said assistant referees had been advised to keep their flag down for tight offside calls and to leave it to VAR to decide.​
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An inevitable change to evolve to a video ruled game.

These tight offsides will be eradicated from the game, meaning that defences will have to drop deeper and deeper automatically because the "call" will actually only be made if a goal comes in that phase of the game.

An offside too early in the build up will obviously be ignored.

But hey, at least the video referees will be wearing full kit whilst in their Moscow offices...

http://www.skysports.com/share/11403051
 
DJ said:
An inevitable change to evolve to a video ruled game.

These tight offsides will be eradicated from the game, meaning that defences will have to drop deeper and deeper automatically because the "call" will actually only be made if a goal comes in that phase of the game.
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I agree that defenders will probably play deeper now as they won't want to take a chance.
This could be a real tangled mess, though, in determining just how far after an offside a goal has to be before it isn't considered to be resulting from that offside.
It seems to me that the future of offsides will be something like goal-line technology where an official is alerted instantly when an offside occurs. This would be the best possible scenario and would eliminate the need to let play continue, knowing that it may all be called back.
 
Not sure how it can be done instantly, given the rules on seeking to gain an advantage, or interfering with the passage of play as they call it now, Especially given the gubbins about part of the body you can score a goal with, so hands can't be offside
 
cockbeard said:
Not sure how it can be done instantly, given the rules on seeking to gain an advantage, or interfering with the passage of play as they call it now, Especially given the gubbins about part of the body you can score a goal with, so hands can't be offside
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I guess it would have to be more complicated than the goal-line tech.
Something like a referee who watches the game on a screen, in real-time (i.e. no delay). When a player is offside at the time of a pass, he lights up red or something. If he ends up being involved, the official presses a button and the 1st official's watch vibrates.
Technical determination of offside would require sensors in the ball (to determine when it's kicked), as well as on the players (or else sophisticated overhead cameras with some AI involved).
So, yeah, a bit complicated but not that hard.
 
My first worry was player moving through 360 degrees, so would need to wear several sensors, hands, feet, head, and torso. Then players like Nistlerooy who would come from offiside positions to collect the ball. I know I'm wrong but I like that, I did it myself as a kid. I'm running towards my own goal to get the ball, then turning and attacking, by the time I collect the ball I'm not in offside position
 
canadiancherry said:
I guess it would have to be more complicated than the goal-line tech.
Something like a referee who watches the game on a screen, in real-time (i.e. no delay). When a player is offside at the time of a pass, he lights up red or something. If he ends up being involved, the official presses a button and the 1st official's watch vibrates.
Technical determination of offside would require sensors in the ball (to determine when it's kicked), as well as on the players (or else sophisticated overhead cameras with some AI involved).
So, yeah, a bit complicated but not that hard.
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What a terrible, but possible, glimpse into the future.
 
canadiancherry said:
I guess it would have to be more complicated than the goal-line tech.
Something like a referee who watches the game on a screen, in real-time (i.e. no delay). When a player is offside at the time of a pass, he lights up red or something. If he ends up being involved, the official presses a button and the 1st official's watch vibrates.
Technical determination of offside would require sensors in the ball (to determine when it's kicked), as well as on the players (or else sophisticated overhead cameras with some AI involved).
So, yeah, a bit complicated but not that hard.
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canadiancherry said:
I guess it would have to be more complicated than the goal-line tech.
Something like a referee who watches the game on a screen, in real-time (i.e. no delay). When a player is offside at the time of a pass, he lights up red or something. If he ends up being involved, the official presses a button and the 1st official's watch vibrates.
Technical determination of offside would require sensors in the ball (to determine when it's kicked), as well as on the players (or else sophisticated overhead cameras with some AI involved).
So, yeah, a bit complicated but not that hard.
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My god, thats horrific.
 
Just listening to a discussion as to its application. "Every goal, every yellow card" will be checked. Could be fun.
 
RobTrent said:
Just listening to a discussion as to its application. "Every goal, every yellow card" will be checked. Could be fun.
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Which is different from the criteria given for it's usage up until now.

One issue is we've got refs from all parts of the world covering the World Cup games, many of whom haven't been exposed to or been involved with VAR before. I'm sure they'll all have been given some form of training by FIFA, but it's no substitute for some experience with it from it's trial periods around Europe (even if as said, the goalposts for it's application have altered).

I'm certain there will be some confusion occurring.
 
canadiancherry said:
Yes, the theoretical idea is kind of cool but it would be a disaster. Imagine all the delays because of a malfunctioning left-boot sensor, etc.
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I've talked about this on here before and I don't think it'll be another assistant in an office. It'll be the linesman wearing some kind of augmented reality glasses so they can see an indication at all times any players that are onside or offside since the last few ball touches and it will update in real time. The linesman just needs to make the call then whether they a player is active or passive before raising their flag or keeping it down.

If they can resolve the sensor issue then this is one of the rules that can actually be handed over to technology without slowing the game for a moment. However, I think the technology still has a long way to go.
 
So we've got Vlad Putin leaning over the president of FIFA to shake hands with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia whilst the fifth goal goes in - all laughing and joking - meanwhile key decisions have been outsourced to some bloke in a van in the middle of Siberia or god knows where. KGB no-doubt looking after security.

Thank God the integrity of the game is their priority.
 
....seems that if you are a tyrannical world leader you can get away with any human rights violations...Putin...Kim...and the Turkish Prime Minister seem to be living the dream!
 
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