Non - Brexit

billythekid said:
The Referendum result was to Leave.

So the next step should only have that option and find the best way to do it.
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Leave means Leave have had 3 years to explain what that soundbite means in the real world, who is capable of finding the best way having achieved consensus on the definition of best way.
More of the same from Leave means Leave from their position behind the sofa. No benefits delivered as yet and increasing costs as the meaningful date moves backwards.

The options seem to be,
Leave with no deal at a known date, 12 april
Leave with an unknown deal at an unknown date.
 
We are in a State of Flux, a Sad Business..... and now a 5 hour meeting to establish grown- up politics , the Mother of All Cabinet meetings....without the ' party whips' or any ' whipping' , if that is possible. We can hope !

For these decisions of National importance;
We expect to get decisions for the Country,..the People, not the Party - if not they will face Anger daily from now, as a Norm!
A Secret Ballot with Every MP inclusive, would surely have produced a result last night ! We could move forward with no one having to be directly, individually, accountable!
 
wellsworld said:
queen back in charge, running the show
navy protecting our shores, preferably with cannon balls
invade a wilderness somewhere, and exploit it to fook
all (white) englanders to be given a free austin allegro
sign something to say you only like the church of england
job done

bingo, britain made great again

END OF











premierSHIP



yes, I am losing the plot
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No your not! The two previous Queens, Elizabeth 1 and Victoria didnt allow any foreign power to Govern us......the country having
previously been ransacked by Romans, Vikings etc.( tbf those nice lads infused our culture with some good stuff).
Why should we be overrun during this strong queens reign!

We have not been infused with anything good from the EU that we could not have organised ourselves!
To be able to run our own affairs......does not mean we are zenophobic or racist.
If we stay IN.....as it is looking increasingly likely.....I personally will remain calm and dignified....as should Remainers in the event the unbelievable occuring.......it would be a Soft Exit anyway, with plenty of useful attachments to the EU! Adapt!
Im sure, one day,......with the emerging Royals running the show that a Republic will be inevitable! That will be fun im sure!
 
SlowDownDerek said:
They got fined for that didn't they? Didn't they still spend less than the remain campaign even excluding pre campaign spending which was even more in remain's favour...
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And of course the remain campaign had a distinct advantage when £9.3M of tax payers money was spent to promote only one side of the Brexit debate;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35980571


An illegal act by the government? No

But were they morally right to do this? Absolutely not

Was it a surprise that people's reaction to their money being spent, by the government, telling them how to vote was to say F U? Hell, no!
 
AFCB Lost in Brum said:
And of course the remain campaign had a distinct advantage when £9.3M of tax payers money was spent to promote only one side of the Brexit debate;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35980571


An illegal act by the government? No

But were they morally right to do this? Absolutely not

Was it a surprise that people's reaction to their money being spent, by the government, telling them how to vote was to say F U? Hell, no!
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And before the £7m cap that Vote Leave broke came into effect. The campaigns left a lot to be desired but to suggest it was an illegitimate result because of the overspent in question is wishful thinking.
 
If it was an iligitimate result.....and illegal things will have happened on both sides- that is set in stone....no one was refereeing it to a point where any whistles were blown...so it is all just part of the sorry history of the period! Big deal not!
 
What's wrong with a choice between May's deal, no deal or customs union (a compromise, although that's not what we voted for)? Seems simple to me and we can move on, why can't the muppets in parliament see what they're doing to this country!
 
So Oliver Letwin is now skulking back to the shadows, as the suggested Indicative votes round 3 for Wednesday has been scrapped, now he realises it's going nowhere.

Instead Yvette Cooper steps forward on Thursday, tabling a bill to change the A50 law, to prevent us leaving without a deal on April 12th. Given the number of times Parliament has voted (non bindingly) to avoid no deal, you'd assume this will pass and thus become binding in UK law.

Arguments now raging that this wouldn't actually be possible if it did pass. Given that the EU supposedly need to agree to any extensions, whereas this sounds like an unilateral extension. God knows? I'm sure it's all being worked out...!
 
SlowDownDerek said:
And before the £7m cap that Vote Leave broke came into effect. The campaigns left a lot to be desired but to suggest it was an illegitimate result because of the overspent in question is wishful thinking.
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So if there is another vote then both sides can just break every rule and the result will not be effected?
 
northstandmark said:
So Oliver Letwin is now skulking back to the shadows, as the suggested Indicative votes round 3 for Wednesday has been scrapped, now he realises it's going nowhere.

Instead Yvette Cooper steps forward on Thursday, tabling a bill to change the A50 law, to prevent us leaving without a deal on April 12th. Given the number of times Parliament has voted (non bindingly) to avoid no deal, you'd assume this will pass and thus become binding in UK law.

Arguments now raging that this wouldn't actually be possible if it did pass. Given that the EU supposedly need to agree to any extensions, whereas this sounds like an unilateral extension. God knows? I'm sure it's all being worked out...!
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Surely all it needs is for that c*** Chope to stand up and object and it’s dead isn’t it ?
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
So, there is no reason not to break the rules then?
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That's the punishment the electoral commission has seen as appropriate for these breaches? What do you reckon is appropriate?

I've never really put much thought into it as I think these are fairly minor issues. Vote leave spent less than the remain campaign. The £9m pre-campaign govt expenditure on one side is more of an issue in my view but still not enough to render the while thing void.
 
Beth Rigby Sky - 12.01 pm

NEW: Told Letwin et al have no plans for Indicative Votes on Weds. Instead trying to pave way for Cooper bill to be laid on Thurs to legislate against No Deal & mandate govt to put forward proposal. But mood grim. MP tells me Letwin is now “90% sure we’ll drop out with No Deal”
 
When we look at our age old and seemingly rigid constitution, its easy to be comfortable in thinking that with all the lawyers and legislation holding it up...that nothing dodgy would ever occur. But that is purely subjective and not quite how things are...sadly! Bercow and co are testament to the fact that nothing has changed since Henry the Eighth fudged it big!
We slightly fictionalise things like the Sicilian, Calabrian and Chicago Mafias but some of our own skullduggery will rival them... ok , maybe not the killing....Yet!
 
New or forgotten names occur at every juncture....useless Letwin, John Major waking up between his cricket match snoozes, the grinning, bored, Lothario Blair and now Yvette Cooper pontifficating! A remnant of Browns cabinet! Jeez!
 
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