Training ground

SlowDownDerek said:
In what way is it 'pretty obvious' when most of the clubs who have built new stadiums have subsequently gone bust? Unless you're suggesting that the best option for the long term is to say sod it, build a ground, go bust and f*ck everyone who gets pence in the pound in the process?
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It’s pretty obvious that shutting out an entire generation of supporters is not the best strategy long term.

Not every club who has done a ground redevelopment or new stadium has gone bust.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Well investing in the squad got them five years in the PL and allowed a swift return didn't it. Would a new ground have helped do that? I don't think it would.
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Whether spending all that extra money was necessary isn't a certain thing but one thing that is certain is that playing in the Premier League costs us £20M a season and ultimately ends in relegation. What's the point of that?

SlowDownDerek said:
Yet most of the traditionally bigger clubs who built new grounds went bankrupt. The evidence seems to be that building a new ground does nothing for the stability of the club.
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Like who?
 
DJ said:
It’s pretty obvious that shutting out an entire generation of supporters is not the best strategy long term.

Not every club who has done a ground redevelopment or new stadium has gone bust.
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In fact Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Newcastle, Arsenal, Man City, Villa, West Ham, Brentford, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Huddersfield, Hull, Stoke, Leciester, Burton, Wigan and many more seem to have done alright out of it.
 
Kudos said:
In fact Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Newcastle, Arsenal, Man City, Villa, West Ham, Brentford, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Huddersfield, Hull, Stoke, Leciester, Burton, Wigan and many more seem to have done alright out of it.
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A fair few of those have gone into admin mind. Southampton and Leicester the obvious ones.
 
New Forest Cherry said:
nicely put
both would be ideal but the size of the ground was an embarrassment the first time round but this promotion puts it into even sharper focus
this might be the last time young supporters will be able to watch the team in the top division
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Depressingly familiar sound bites coming out of the club confirming there is zero intention to think of the long term bigger picture and try to improve the off-field set up. Not even a bigger temporary stand for the Ted Mac.

Unfortunately we are now in a situation where there is almost a cartel of 9,000 AFCB supporters who can always watch the team at DC. This means there is no chance for any new supporters, whether thats the lively youth that go to away games or the youngsters at Littledown playing in their AFCB kits, to get a ticket for a home game. We've had "all available tickets are sold" at DC for about 8 years, albeit with the frustrating situation in the Championship where about 500 ticket holders regularly couldn't be arsed to turn up. At what point does someone at the club start thinking that maybe they should look at trying to improve the situation and enable more supporters to see their team? PL football team on the pitch, forever tin pot in every aspect otherwise. I know some on this forum are delighted by that but I just find it very frustrating.
 
Kudos said:
In fact Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Newcastle, Arsenal, Man City, Villa, West Ham, Brentford, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Huddersfield, Hull, Stoke, Leciester, Burton, Wigan and many more seem to have done alright out of it.
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Why aren't Bournemouth on this list?
 
Sandman2 said:
Depressingly familiar sound bites coming out of the club confirming there is zero intention to think of the long term bigger picture and try to improve the off-field set up. Not even a bigger temporary stand for the Ted Mac.

Unfortunately we are now in a situation where there is almost a cartel of 9,000 AFCB supporters who can always watch the team at DC. This means there is no chance for any new supporters, whether thats the lively youth that go to away games or the youngsters at Littledown playing in their AFCB kits, to get a ticket for a home game. We've had "all available tickets are sold" at DC for about 8 years, albeit with the frustrating situation in the Championship where about 500 ticket holders regularly couldn't be arsed to turn up. At what point does someone at the club start thinking that maybe they should look at trying to improve the situation and enable more supporters to see their team? PL football team on the pitch, forever tin pot in every aspect otherwise. I know some on this forum are delighted by that but I just find it very frustrating.
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Don't think anyone is delighted.
 
Sandman2 said:
Depressingly familiar sound bites coming out of the club confirming there is zero intention to think of the long term bigger picture and try to improve the off-field set up. Not even a bigger temporary stand for the Ted Mac.

Unfortunately we are now in a situation where there is almost a cartel of 9,000 AFCB supporters who can always watch the team at DC. This means there is no chance for any new supporters, whether thats the lively youth that go to away games or the youngsters at Littledown playing in their AFCB kits, to get a ticket for a home game. We've had "all available tickets are sold" at DC for about 8 years, albeit with the frustrating situation in the Championship where about 500 ticket holders regularly couldn't be arsed to turn up. At what point does someone at the club start thinking that maybe they should look at trying to improve the situation and enable more supporters to see their team? PL football team on the pitch, forever tin pot in every aspect otherwise. I know some on this forum are delighted by that but I just find it very frustrating.
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Spot on - every fan I know has family members or neighbours, workmates, schoolmates etc who'd buy an ST instantly given the chance (my wife and kids would jump at the opportunity). By failing to even increase capacity we're locking them out. The age profile of those who can attend is getting older, when the future means getting the youth into live events. There's got to be a way to address this ... or are the decision-makers so short-sighted??
 
Maybe, but you do want to comment on anyone who posts their frustrations in a slightly antagonistic way. Do you not think it reasonable to want to have a legacy for all our time spent at the top table?
 
zigger zaggar said:
Maybe, but you do want to comment on anyone who posts their frustrations in a slightly antagonistic way. Do you not think it reasonable to want to have a legacy for all our time spent at the top table?
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Its not about wanting it, but about people saying how Max should be spending his money.
 
RobTrent said:
Its not my money, and what I want won't make Max change his mind.
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but it kind of is our money, certainly some of it is
I've been an ST holder for 20 plus years, you probably much longer, so we've put a fair amount of customer money into the club down the years

I'd happily settle for one of the corners to be filled in; 500? new seats
would that cost more than 5% of the tv money?
 
redskins said:
The thing is I’m not entirely sure any money needs to be ‘spent’ to increase the capacity.
An extra 2,000 in the Ted Shed would pay for itself.
it’s the general apathy from the club to even look at it, or at least talk about it that really winds me up.
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But I seem to recall that if we increase the capacity in the Ted shed we will need to give more tickets to the visitors, which will require some changes to the East Stand?
 
Kudos said:
In fact Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Newcastle, Arsenal, Man City, Villa, West Ham, Brentford, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Huddersfield, Hull, Stoke, Leciester, Burton, Wigan and many more seem to have done alright out of it.
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If you go through the grounds that have been built you'll always find either a sugar daddy who's lost loads of money, a public body who's paid or the rate occasion where the income from the new ground covers the cost (usually massive clubs with huge corporate income).

Went bust, sugar daddy lost hundreds of millions, sugar daddy then suffered huge financial problems, not new ground, income covered cost of new ground, council house, not new ground, council house, huge development income, income apparently covered cost, not new ground, still income, council funding, council and the club went bust, council house, ?, went bust, sugar daddy/council
 
punkrockcherry said:
But I seem to recall that if we increase the capacity in the Ted shed we will need to give more tickets to the visitors, which will require some changes to the East Stand?
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The visitors need 10% of capacity. They currently have between 1300-1400 seats, if I remember correctly, which means we can increase to 13,000-14,000 with no need to change the away allocation
 
The design for a larger, and permanent, south stand that was submitted for planning permission then withdrawn also took account of away fans. Each corner section, with about 400 seats, was standalone with its own turnstiles, toilets and catering outlet. That would allow the flexibility to allocate the south east corner to either home fans or away fans depending on demand.

Assuming a large away following you could potentially provide 1700-1800 away seats, allowing overall expansion to 17,500 or so. For example by adding a further tier to the Main Stand as well as the enlarged South Stand. If you were cute about it, you’d make most or all of the Main Stand upper tier executive seating to maximise the potential income.

All a bit academic of course.
 
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