RobTrent
UTC Legend
Not my take at all. It was a response to some claiming O'Neil doesn't have a preferred way of playing.
GON(E)
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Neil Dawson
UTC Legend
What would you say his preferred way of playing is?
RobTrent
UTC Legend
Trying to play out from the back, and using the passing to get opportunities on goal. Hes not a long ball manager.
I think their gamble,( which has obviously been cooked up between themselves) is going to backfire hugely. If we get relegated, they’re not in a strong bargaining position. Are they going to be picked up by any Premier League club, NO. The club are Likely going to offer what’s on the table now. Then the chances are the club are likely going to buy better and more experienced players. Just my opinion, but, I think they have been very silly over their non contract talks.
bigfatolly
Star Player
The mistakes at the back made yesterday reminded me of the mistakes made at (usually by Meps) under Tindall.
These mistakes disappeared under Parker,I can't think of one time under him that we conceded after a backpack or misplaced pass at the back.
These mistakes disappeared under Parker,I can't think of one time under him that we conceded after a backpack or misplaced pass at the back.
It's a good point and has got me thinking.
Is a backpack where a player goes wandering, like Rico used to do?
We played a first class defensive line under Parker, the offside trap was always spot on. That's all gone now.
bigfatolly
Star Player
KingKieffer
Star Player
If you’re referring to JA and JZ, 100% a PL club will pick them up. JZ especially has potential to go very far. And I don’t like saying that, because I feel like they owe us an extension.
Or indeed Steve Cook under EH
JohnHold
First Team
I'm sorry but I do (or did) believe GON has a way of playing, under which THESE PLAYERS can get the ball forward and create chances. It worked for large sections of his first 8-ish games. I would just have wanted him to go back to that - play the tapes if necessary.
The decline can't just be the absence of Tavernier and Neto.
I dont understand what happened against Palace and Burnley - not surprisingly - I'm no different to any of us on here (ANY). I especially dont know what the plan is when our stationary back 4 have no ball which they can play forward and the other 6 are equally stationary making no space.
But this leads me to my current beef (well apart from the NHS, and Sports Direct refusing me a refund). Is there not just one commentator or pundit who has worked under the tactics of building patiently from the back, waiting till the right space appears, and then it's like a hot knife through butter?? And who can therefore offer insight, and critique it, rather than just say 'they should stop taking risks and get it forward'?
The decline can't just be the absence of Tavernier and Neto.
I dont understand what happened against Palace and Burnley - not surprisingly - I'm no different to any of us on here (ANY). I especially dont know what the plan is when our stationary back 4 have no ball which they can play forward and the other 6 are equally stationary making no space.
But this leads me to my current beef (well apart from the NHS, and Sports Direct refusing me a refund). Is there not just one commentator or pundit who has worked under the tactics of building patiently from the back, waiting till the right space appears, and then it's like a hot knife through butter?? And who can therefore offer insight, and critique it, rather than just say 'they should stop taking risks and get it forward'?
OLDSKOOL
Fans' Favourite
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Zemura would have to be playing in a team where he has little to no defensive duties and I don't think that many PL teams offer that option.
His defensive positioning and concentration levels aren't great.
bigfatolly
Star Player
I think they have been tapped up by Newcastle to go there on frees,Tindall had them around the first team and playing in cup games,Eddie and Purches will know all about them as well,Newcastle have been picking up youngsters for the future I have seen in the press
KingKieffer
Star Player
He is 23, his ability on the ball is so good that I’d be amazed if there isn’t more than one PL club keen to snap him up
KingKieffer
Star Player
I can’t see that tbh, might be wrong though. Newcastle have now catapulted to such a level that the standard of player that they need to maintain their trajectory far exceeds what these two lads are able to offer. And although they have room to improve at 23 years of age, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense (in footballing terms) for either Newcastle or JA and JZ. Far more likely I’d think would be a Palace/West Ham/Fulham type club, established sides but not sides competing at the very top.
A few other points-
- they 100% won’t leave on a free, they are 23 so we would be due a compensation fee that would be decided via a tribunal. Who knows what it will be, but it won’t be nothing.
-Tindall didn’t really show a lot of interest in playing either, beyond a handful of substitute appearances for JA. Bear in mind he had JA behind Riquelme and JZ behind Rico and Smith (not even a left back) in the pecking order. Under his reign I really never got the impression that he saw them as hugely exciting prospects.
-Get your point that Newcastle are looking at younger players, all big clubs do it, but at 23 I don’t feel that these two fall into that category. They’re not at the age where it’s going to be beneficial for them not to be playing first team football.
MB1980
UTC Legend
Yeah, I don't think they're good enough for the space Newcastle are moving into. Annoyingly I can see it being someone like west ham or Palace.
Kudos
UTC Legend
I think "useless" / "clueless" is bandied about more readily and erroneously than "legend" or "goat". Apparently controversially I also don't think League Two is some kind of manager training league. Pretty sure it wouldn't have felt like it for Eddie when trying to save us from the drop.
I've never really been a strong supporter of his appointment but Gary is clearly not clueless and he is obviously putting work in. The Premier League is horrible for its stop-start nature. A bad run in the Championship is a month. In the Premier League it is 2 or 3 dragged out by international/cup breaks and dotted with virtually unwinnable games.
We are a team whose realistic target is about 36 points and the hope of 17th place.
In previous years I felt like our strength was in togetherness, while bigger clubs with better players would fall apart in vitriol after a couple of defeats we would keep going and over the course of a season that consistency and those small margins added up to a couple of league positions.
While I'm not particularly bothered by relegation it feels a shame that we're falling into the same pitfalls as other clubs and I fear it will result in relegation. The worst part is that with Dean Court a virtually closed shop to new fans, it's the same people who created that great atmosphere who are now targetting individual players with abuse.
Jamal Fix It
Reserves
IMO the initial GON bounce was largely down to the players being told they were good enough whilst still using Parker's system as the bedrock.
As time has progressed we've seen Parker's system slowly dismantled and replaced with GON's approach.
And this is where we are today.
As time has progressed we've seen Parker's system slowly dismantled and replaced with GON's approach.
And this is where we are today.
- We're not playing in triangles
- We're not overloading the channels
- We're missing out the midfield and asking the centre-backs to ping 60 yard balls into congested areas of the pitch.
- No one seems to have a defined role (see set pieces amongst other things)
