Non - Rishi Sunak

JIMNNINA said:
Remind us of the benefits delivered so far
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Answer points in my post please sir.

It's a little like a highly rated young pl player breaking both legs and then questioning why he hasn't fulfilled his potential and become a regular for England 18 months down the line.
 
MB1980 said:
Answer points in my post please sir.

It's a little like a highly rated young pl player breaking both legs and then questioning why he hasn't fulfilled his potential and become a regular for England 18 months down the line.
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It’s actually like a young player in a premier league team but his club decide to leave the league and play in the conference.
 
stanthevan said:
It’s actually like a young player in a premier league team but his club decide to leave the league and play in the conference.
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Well yes, it was intended to be a nuanced statement, rather than exact comparison.

like I say, how are other 'western' countries fairing... since covid. Global economy... Brexit ripples/waves that far reaching?

Realistically I'm not sure things could be much better, given covid, and global inflation since. Hence my reply to jimnina. Context, circumstances have to be considered before declaring failure/success so far.

Something those with an axe to grind clearly aren't interested in.
 
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Well hes going to get a very bloody nose tonight. I doubt they will throw in the towel quite yet but they are heading into the final rounds and I am not sure they will get up off the canvas soon.
 
So this will be very interesting in the coming days. How do they turn this around with a year to go. Do they double down on the terrible Trumpian tactics of going after the angry gammon vote with anti-environmental and draconian asylum seeker policies? Thats clearly not working for them, but they might feel if they push even harder on them they will stir up even more "tribal" conflict and take back votes that way.

Or.. do they, in the year they have left, try to pull 180? Rishi could rebuild his government in the shape of a normal, competent cabinet. Admit some of their many failings publicly. Claw back some money from companies who stole from the UK people and simply stay under the radar and seem semi competent for a year.

I think the second tactic has a lot of merit. They are the conservatives who's main raison d'etre is that they are the gown ups in the room compared to the opposition and can be trusted to run the country, if a little boring.

They still have time. But if they continue down the self destructing populism road they are currently travelling on in their V6 Ranger Rovers to stir up a certain element of society, I think they will fail.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
So this will be very interesting in the coming days. How do they turn this around with a year to go. Do they double down on the terrible Trumpian tactics of going after the angry gammon vote with anti-environmental and draconian asylum seeker policies? Thats clearly not working for them, but they might feel if they push even harder on them they will stir up even more "tribal" conflict and take back votes that way.

Or.. do they, in the year they have left, try to pull 180? Rishi could rebuild his government in the shape of a normal, competent cabinet. Admit some of their many failings publicly. Claw back some money from companies who stole from the UK people and simply stay under the radar and seem semi competent for a year.

I think the second tactic has a lot of merit. They are the conservatives who's main raison d'etre is that they are the gown ups in the room compared to the opposition and can be trusted to run the country, if a little boring.

They still have time. But if they continue down the self destructing populism road they are currently travelling on in their V6 Ranger Rovers to stir up a certain element of society, I think they will fail.
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Hopefully they’ll go for option number 2. At least they could do some good for a year.

But they’ll lose anyway because we’re in the cycle of voting where the country just votes for the other lot because everything’s broken.

We’ll then have a decade under the other lot until the public gets fed up and votes the other other lot back in.
 
DJ said:
Hopefully they’ll go for option number 2. At least they could do some good for a year.

But they’ll lose anyway because we’re in the cycle of voting where the country just votes for the other lot because everything’s broken.

We’ll then have a decade under the other lot until the public gets fed up and votes the other other lot back in.
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I wouldnt say 14 years and at least 4 Prime Ministers is a cycle of voting?
 
DJ said:
Over the past 40 (ish) years we’ve had Tories 1979-1997, Labour 1997-2010, Tories 2010-2024.

It’s just a cycle, always has been.
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So the only way it wouldn't have been a cycle is if one party was in the whole time?

As you show, in the last 45 years we will have had a Tory government for 33 of them. Is that really a cycle?
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
So the only way it wouldn't have been a cycle is if one party was in the whole time?

As you show, in the last 45 years we will have had a Tory government for 33 of them. Is that really a cycle?
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I really didn’t think stating a fact was going to be so controversial. I’ve got zip all intention of debating it.

Ironically mirroring my point. Eventually it all comes down to apathy.
 
DJ said:
Over the past 40 (ish) years we’ve had Tories 1979-1997, Labour 1997-2010, Tories 2010-2024.

It’s just a cycle, always has been.
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Lol that really doesn’t look like a cycle.

But even if it does, isn’t that democracy?
 
Ok, here we go then, let’s get all pedantic about it. :)

I didn’t say the cycle had to be equal, until the fixed term parliament act came in this would be very unlikely.

I was more referring to the fact that it’s a series of events that are often repeated, in a similar order. One shower has a go until everyone loses total faith in them, then because they made such a hash of it, the other shower gets a go, usually a period of a decade or so until…they make such a hash of it and the other shower have been forgiven.

Rinse and repeat.

Yes that’s democracy and it’s better than other alternative options as world events can show us. But that doesn’t mean I have to be totally engaged with it and neither is the public. Which is why apathy is such a strong force in politics.
 
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