Eddie Howe - AFCB - Newcastle United

Everyday is different in Football.

But one thing remains the same.

11 men against 11 for 95 minutes on matchday.
..judged at the end of those 95 minutes on how many goals are scored...and how many conceded.....and points awarded accordingly.

As much crap as you like can pan out in the intermediate hours and days in the Media platforms. and in each of the clubs fields and corridors....likewise as much crap can be spouted across this Forum in that time.

Oh... ( Rooney's just been sacked)
and ( Eddie's running his troops into the ground as I spout )

....but it's matchday again soon....and it's all about the goals for...and goals against... ..whatever players are pitchside....even 90% of the play on the day ..is irrelevant....


....goals for....goals against.....that !
 
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Neil Dawson said:
Well I can happily tell you I’m not an expert in any of these things.

It’s interesting. Read all the threads on here and we have experts in international commerce and trade agreements, complex economics, the NHS, cardiology, vaccination, American politics as well as every form of football tactics and selection.

I’m guessing you and SDD will be challenging all of these people moving forwards (maybe a New Year’s resolution) so I can see it’s not personal.
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I have little knowledge of trade agreements, cardiology, economics and so on.
I do have a limited knowledge of football.
As I said, it maybe the way you word your posts. But they come across that what you are writing is fact, not just your opinion.
With regards to training. Adam Smith said something along the lines of ‘training is harder and less days off’. Whether this goes back to and includes eddies days here….who knows?
Not me..
Do you?
 
borisatha said:
I have little knowledge of trade agreements, cardiology, economics and so on.
I do have a limited knowledge of football.
As I said, it maybe the way you word your posts. But they come across that what you are writing is fact, not just your opinion.
With regards to training. Adam Smith said something along the lines of ‘training is harder and less days off’. Whether this goes back to and includes eddies days here….who knows?
Not me..
Do you?
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It’s part of what makes this forum less enjoyable these days. Too much playing the poster not the post and certain individuals being examined and piled on and proof demanded.

To my knowledge none of us are technical experts in football but we do have a huge knowledge of football. I respect so many peoples opinions on here, while knowing that they are technically not qualified to have that opinion. They’ve stood in the rain and watched hundreds of games and probably played it at some level which is also worthy.

So when I see someone writing ‘I’d have started Kelly not Kerkez against a tall winger’ I can either question if they have a right to say that with none of Iraolas qualifications and not having seen them in training all week and conclude no and tell them…… or….. I can think that’s interesting and read it in the spirit of a fans message board and maybe agree or disagree in my head and move on.

It used to be more like that on here and still is for I guess the majority of readers… it’s dull reading people having to justify or qualify their opinion all the time. It’s just an opinion from a fan not an expert like everything else written on here unless it’s IT advice from a techy like you get from time to time. Why people can’t participate in the spirit of that is beyond me. Fine to disagree but everyone is equally entitled to an opinion without qualifications. The day we make people qualified to comment is the day you will get one post every four months…
 
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New Old Cherry said:
Everyday is different in Football.

But one thing remains the same.

11 men against 11 for 95 minutes on matchday.
..judged at the end of those 95 minutes on how many goals are scored...and how many conceded.....and points awarded accordingly.

As much crap as you like can pan out in the intermediate hours and days in the Media platforms. and in each of the clubs fields and corridors....likewise as much crap can be spouted across this Forum in that time.

Oh... ( Rooney's just been sacked)
and ( Eddie's running his troops into the ground as I spout )

....but it's matchday again soon....and it's all about the goals for...and goals against... ..whatever players are pitchside....even 90% of the play on the day ..is irrelevant....


....goals for....goals against.....that !
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That’s it ? That’s all football is about ? Jesus if only we had all known that we could just wait till 5 o clock on a Saturday for the results … I wonder why we are all bothering with all the “crap” discussions .. but more to the point why are you ?
 
Neil Dawson said:
It’s part of what makes this forum less enjoyable these days. Too much playing the poster not the post and certain individuals being examined and piled on and proof demanded.

To my knowledge none of us are technical experts in football but we do have a huge knowledge of football. I respect so many peoples opinions on here, while knowing that they are technically not qualified to have that opinion. They’ve stood in the rain and watched hundreds of games and probably played it at some level which is also worthy.

So when I see someone writing ‘I’d have started Kelly not Kerkez against a tall winger’ I can either question if they have a right to say that with none of Iraolas qualifications and not having seen them in training all week and conclude no and tell them…… or….. I can think that’s interesting and read it in the spirit of a fans message board and maybe agree or disagree in my head and move on.

It used to be more like that on here and still is for I guess the majority of readers… it’s dull reading people having to justify or qualify their opinion all the time. It’s just an opinion from a fan not an expert like everything else written on here unless it’s IT advice from a techy like you get from time to time. Why people can’t participate in the spirit of that is beyond me. Fine to disagree but everyone is equally entitled to an opinion without qualifications. The day we make people qualified to comment is the day you will get one post every four months…
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You give two options that people have when they disagree with someone. Either question their right to state their opinion or disagree in your head and move on. Crucially for the forum there is a third option - disagree and state your reasons.

Yes anyone can post an opinion and if it's an opinion that contains what some might see as a logical flaw - such as Howe is causing injuries and is seeming not doing anything to solve the problem - then people will point that out. What's the issue with that?
 
wallmth said:
That’s it ? That’s all football is about ? Jesus if only we had all known that we could just wait till 5 o clock on a Saturday for the results … I wonder why we are all bothering with all the “crap” discussions .. but more to the point why are you ?
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Caught me up short with that one ! :wack:

...but as the old saying goes..." There's nowt as queer as Folk !"
 
New Old Cherry said:
Everyday is different in Football.

But one thing remains the same.

11 men against 11 for 95 minutes on matchday.
..judged at the end of those 95 minutes on how many goals are scored...and how many conceded.....and points awarded accordingly.

As much crap as you like can pan out in the intermediate hours and days in the Media platforms. and in each of the clubs fields and corridors....likewise as much crap can be spouted across this Forum in that time.

Oh... ( Rooney's just been sacked)
and ( Eddie's running his troops into the ground as I spout )

....but it's matchday again soon....and it's all about the goals for...and goals against... ..whatever players are pitchside....even 90% of the play on the day ..is irrelevant....


....goals for....goals against.....that !
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Simple, but not simplistic comes to mind whenever you deploy these 'this is all its about' type posts.

Nothing is ever that straightforward in any domain if you want to do well in it.

Tracksuits and jumpers for goal posts probably won't cut it for most professional clubs these days, regardless of how many of these rallying type posts you make ;)
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Yes anyone can post an opinion and if it's an opinion that contains what some might see as a logical flaw - such as Howe is causing injuries and is seeming not doing anything to solve the problem - then people will point that out. What's the issue with that?
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No issue with that. But the problem people should have should not be based on the fact that people they are replying to aren’t professionally qualified to comment…. because you aren’t either.
 
DJ said:
And yet Matt Ritchie at the age of 34 having spent probably the majority of his career under Eddie Howe holds a pretty decent injury record?
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Well clearly some players are less susceptible to injuries than others. Which to answer Dels many points on the same subject is why some medical experts will conclude there is no need to change.
 
Neil Dawson said:
No issue with that. But the problem people should have should not be based on the fact that people they are replying to aren’t professionally qualified to comment…. because you aren’t either.
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That's fair, but even you would have to admit that it seems unlikely that this issue isn't something Howe has considered in a huge amount of detail.
 
Neil Dawson said:
It’s part of what makes this forum less enjoyable these days. Too much playing the poster hit the post and certain individuals being examined and piled on and proof demanded.

To my knowledge none of us are technical experts in football but we do have a huge knowledge of football. I respect so many peoples opinions on here, while knowing that they are technically not qualified to have that opinion. They’ve stood in the rain and watched hundreds of games and probably played it at some level which is also worthy.

So when I see someone writing ‘I’d have started Kelly not Kerkez against a tall winger’ I can either question if they have a right to say that with none of Iraolas qualifications and not having seen them in training all week and conclude no and tell them…… or….. I can think that’s interesting and read it in the spirit of a fans message board and maybe agree or disagree in my head and move on.

It used to be more like that on here and still is for I guess the majority of readers… it’s dull reading people having to justify or qualify their opinion all the time. It’s just an opinion from a fan not an expert like everything else written on here unless it’s IT advice from a techy like you get from time to time. Why people can’t participate in the spirit of that is beyond me. Fine to disagree but everyone is equally entitled to an opinion without qualifications. The day we make people qualified to comment is the day you will get one post every four months…
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Good reply Neil. Agree with a lot.
like the example of a poster ‘I’d of started Kelly’. Or ‘Kelly should start’ That’s an opinion which can be questioned.
Neil Dawson said:
Well clearly some players are less susceptible to injuries than others. Which to answer Dels many points on the same subject is why some medical experts will conclude there is no need to change.
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Quite true. . All I can say is look at Rob’s short post. It describes in a far better way what I was trying to say.
 
New Old Cherry said:
Everyday is different in Football.

But one thing remains the same.

11 men against 11 for 95 minutes on matchday.
..judged at the end of those 95 minutes on how many goals are scored...and how many conceded.....and points awarded accordingly.

As much crap as you like can pan out in the intermediate hours and days in the Media platforms. and in each of the clubs fields and corridors....likewise as much crap can be spouted across this Forum in that time.

Oh... ( Rooney's just been sacked)
and ( Eddie's running his troops into the ground as I spout )

....but it's matchday again soon....and it's all about the goals for...and goals against... ..whatever players are pitchside....even 90% of the play on the day ..is irrelevant....


....goals for....goals against.....that !
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Football isn’t just about goals!

It certainly ain’t 11v11 anymore given 5 substitutes

Much of the debate is about decisions - either given or not given and why some teams get a penalty like that second one last night

etc
 
Neil Dawson said:
Well clearly some players are less susceptible to injuries than others. Which to answer Dels many points on the same subject is why some medical experts will conclude there is no need to change.
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I’d imagine at most professional clubs throughout all the divisions, nearly all the players will have their own individual training programmes.

The idea that there’s a catch all fallible training program that has failed at afcb and Newcastle is highly unlikely.
 
AFCBade said:
Football isn’t just about goals!

It certainly ain’t 11v11 anymore given 5 substitutes

Much of the debate is about decisions - either given or not given and why some teams get a penalty like that second one last night

etc
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It's still 11 v 11 on the pitch...I think you know that's what I meant !
And it's still about the final tally of goals after all the decisions....you can't escape from that !
 
New Old Cherry said:
Everyday is different in Football.

But one thing remains the same.

11 men against 11 for 95 minutes on matchday.
..judged at the end of those 95 minutes on how many goals are scored...and how many conceded.....and points awarded accordingly.

As much crap as you like can pan out in the intermediate hours and days in the Media platforms. and in each of the clubs fields and corridors....likewise as much crap can be spouted across this Forum in that time.

Oh... ( Rooney's just been sacked)
and ( Eddie's running his troops into the ground as I spout )

....but it's matchday again soon....and it's all about the goals for...and goals against... ..whatever players are pitchside....even 90% of the play on the day ..is irrelevant....


....goals for....goals against.....that !
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Yes Brian, I think we'd all agree that the final result of a football match is all about goals scored and conceded.

But it's the many, many things go towards making that result happen that are a cause of endless fascinating debate, and always will be. Tactics, form, line-ups, managerial changes, atmosphere, referees, VAR, training regimes, fixture pile-ups, player egos....the list goes on and on.

That's why we're all here. Because we love talking about football in all its various aspects.

PS Not sure that 90% of the play on the day is irrelevant to the result. Really ?
 
New Old Cherry said:
It's still 11 v 11 on the pitch...I think you know that's what I meant !
And it's still about the final tally of goals after all the decisions....you can't escape from that !
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Lol that's like saying to stay alive you just need to breath, drink water and eat.

We know that, but with football there's a million ways and variables that contribute to scoring more or conceding less.

That's interesting to many fans, hence existence of forums like this...
 
DJ said:
I’d imagine at most professional clubs throughout all the divisions, nearly all the players will have their own individual training programmes.

The idea that there’s a catch all fallible training program that has failed at afcb and Newcastle is highly unlikely.
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So it’s bad luck in your opinion.
 
Hope Eddie can hang on in there.....and we can see how far he can take them. Not sure if there are any out there better for a mid or long term plan..maybe just a handful...but then who ?
 
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