The new England kit

MB1980 said:
Embarrassing tbh. But no surprise.

Mind you, guess it means seeing less overweight middle aged, sunburnt men strutting around in an England shirt.

Expect they'll still sell as many units to well-healed, middle class, vegan, Guardian readers and their kids, who'll wear it with pride.
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For the record, I still comfortably fit in my grey 1996 England shirt.
 
afcdibby said:
For the record, I still comfortably fit in my grey 1996 England shirt.
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Never in doubt mate. Like myself, I know you take your training seriously;)

I akways wanted us to have a kappa kit back in the day, like the Italian strips back then! :D
 
NWCherries98 said:
I’m not referring to anyone who thinks it’s cynical for those reasons. They want the shirt to sell, and I don’t doubt they’ll sell more with all this publicity. I agree that it’s a pretty much an exercise in “pot stirring”.

I’m talking about the other ones that are actually, genuinely, upset and calling it a “disgrace”. I just think it’s a bit pitiful tbh. They’re scrabbling over themselves to try and find a “woke” explanation as to why it’s changed; it’s a bit garish, but if there was a legitimate PR reason behind the pattern, they’d be signposting it directly.

The Scotland example is a bit of a false equivalency. It would be really weird if we had the Irish flag randomly plastered on our kit too. I’m sure there are loads of examples of flags being messed with for the aesthetic. The Brazil kit from last year did the exact same thing, and there’s a Scotland kit with a giant teal cross on the front from like 15 years ago too.

As @SlowDownDerek points out, this is a very British attitude it seems. Calling things woke is just the meta of today. It’s completely inconsequential at the end of the day, if you don’t like it then don’t buy it. It’s got the badge on it still, and kits haven’t had the cross on it in quite a long time.
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Agree in that going down the "woke" lane isn't the concern for me. It's simply is this cross design meant to represent the England flag? I personally don't give a fig about the shirt itself, apart from the price but that won't affect me, but the flag of England in whatever small space they want to stick it on the shirt, should be the correct flag of England. I'm also happy for those to disagree as after all, it is all about opinions.
 
They say its to hark back to the 66 winning team, specifically Sir Alf Ramsey's track suit colours...

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I find it frightening that certain people and politicians get upset over a £130 shirt while they openly mock people who use food banks and reduce local council funding for special needs children without so much as a page 10 article.

Snowflakes the lot of them. Its a shirt design FFS.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
They say its to hard back to the 66 winning team, specifically Sir Alf Ramsey's track suit colours...

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I find it frightening that certain people and politicians get upset over a £130 shirt while they openly mock people who use food banks and reduce local council funding for special needs children without so much as a page 10 article.

Snowflakes the lot of them. Its a shirt design FFS.
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It's the countries national sport, national shirt. It's iconic, in some ways to many... like it or not.

Takes seconds to answer questions posed to them about it.

I doubt they're spending hours deliberating over it.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
They say its to hark back to the 66 winning team, specifically Sir Alf Ramsey's track suit colours...

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I find it frightening that certain people and politicians get upset over a £130 shirt while they openly mock people who use food banks and reduce local council funding for special needs children without so much as a page 10 article.

Snowflakes the lot of them. Its a shirt design FFS.
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It would be funny if we actually won it in the woke kit so that they have to pay tribute to it for the next 70 years.
 
MB1980 said:
It's the countries national sport, national shirt. It's iconic, in some ways to many... like it or not.

Takes seconds to answer questions posed to them about it.

I doubt they're spending hours deliberating over it.
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So why no issues with Peter Savilles design? Almost like it doesnt actually matter.
 
ForHeavensSake said:
Agree in that going down the "woke" lane isn't the concern for me. It's simply is this cross design meant to represent the England flag? I personally don't give a fig about the shirt itself, apart from the price but that won't affect me, but the flag of England in whatever small space they want to stick it on the shirt, should be the correct flag of England. I'm also happy for those to disagree as after all, it is all about opinions.
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Pretty much sums it up for me also . If they want to base the whole kit around some random tracksuit from the 60’s go right on ahead and do it , but why not just leave the George cross exactly how it is ?..not sure where “woke” part comes into it either .
 
borisatha said:
Out of interest is there a St George’s England Red Cross on it?
I don’t recall there being a cross on all our previous shirts.
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None on one of our most famous shirts...plenty of different colours on it too!

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England 1996 European Championship Away Shirt

Celebrate your heroes from yesteryear. An essential item for fans of all ages, this item brings back a lot of great memories.
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With regards to the answers I received above.
As far as I’m concerned as long as they don’t mess with the 3 lions.
If there had always been a small Red Cross on the shirt that would be different.
McCoist was going on about it on talk sport along with others, saying about the history and the England World Cup winning shirt. Which I now presume didn’t have a Red Cross on it.
 
wallmth said:
Pretty much sums it up for me also . If they want to base the whole kit around some random tracksuit from the 60’s go right on ahead and do it , but why not just leave the George cross exactly how it is ?..not sure where “woke” part comes into it either .
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Because the St George Cross is considered racist....in certain circles. We'll be changing the name of our country soon because apparently anyone who is white English is also racist , don'cha know
 
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