Richard Hughes

MB1980 said:
Absolutely. Sort of amusing, but desperation to clutch at any tidbit/straw that they were right all along will certainly keep the sorry episode alive for years to come. No doubt about it.
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But people clinging to a tidbit/straw of performance in a role he hasn’t started to keep the sorry episode alive doesn’t attract any criticism in your book?
 
Neil Dawson said:
I know you like to keep pointing everything at my door Delboy but it’s not a knockout blow.

A nicely choreographed PR move, good luck to the old bloke he’s been great the new bloke will also be great. Rinse and repeat in any senior position in any company in the world.

I don’t think he has done enough with the money he has been given. I don’t know or care how he will do at Liverpool but whether they win the next seven champions leagues or get relegated it won’t change my opinion that he could have done better with the money he spent, and the amount of times he wasted a chance to get the right manager here.

I also know you don’t agree with this, which is fine. Not sure why you like to go through it every day.
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Heaven forbid you take something someone says that contradicts your worldview at face value. It's funny how you regard comments people make as gospel if you agree with them yet when you don't it's all made up for the cameras.

So to clarify, Liverpool, Max Demin and Bill Foley are morons and Iraola is a liar? Ok then.

Btw it increasingly looks to be the case that Demin appointed Tindall for none footballing reasons in which case Hughes has actually never wasted a chance to get the right manager in.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Heaven forbid you take something someone says that contradicts your worldview at face value. It's funny how you regard comments people make as gospel if you agree with them yet when you don't it's all made up for the cameras.

So to clarify, Liverpool, Max Demin and Bill Foley are morons and Iraola is a liar? Ok then.

Btw it increasingly looks to be the case that Demin appointed Tindall for none footballing reasons in which case Hughes has actually never wasted a chance to get the right manager in.
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So you think if Iraola was not a fan of Hughes the club PR team would have issued a statement with him saying thank god he has gone? It’s a standard senior switch press release. He may well like him, he made him a rich man and gave him a chance in the worlds best league, I’m sure he also doesn’t like the unbalanced, injured squad he had to start the season with but we’re not going to hear it in the leaving schmaltz fest.

Hughes and Blake had four goes to find a manager with a coherent attacking football philosophy and failed before succeeding. I know again you don’t agree with this and I’m fine with that so no need to point out Parker got the championships most expensive squad up in second and GON kept them up while boring us all to tears as evidence they were great appointments. They were for you, they weren’t for me and more importantly they weren’t for Hughes and Blake either as they spent a fortune getting rid of them all.
 
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Neil Dawson said:
So you think if Iraola was not a fan of Hughes the club PR team would have issued a statement with him saying thank god he has gone? It’s a standard senior switch press release. He may well like him, he made him a rich man and gave him a chance in the worlds best league, I’m sure he also doesn’t like the unbalanced, injured squad he had to start the season with but we’re not going to here it in the leaving schmaltz fest.

Hughes and Blake had four goes to find a manager with a coherent attacking football philosophy and failed before succeeding. I know again you don’t agree with this and I’m fine with that so no need to point out Parker got the championships most expensive squad up in second and GON kept them up while boring us all to tears as evidence they were great appointments. They were for you, they weren’t for me and more importantly they weren’t for Hughes and Blake either as they spent a fortune getting rid of them all.
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I think the reason Hughes and Blake specifically would call the appointment of Parker and O'Neil a success is completely based on the outcome. Promotion and staying up. Us fans probably require a little more than that, but from a business perspective it was a success. A football perspective - well that is a little more subjective :D
 
Neil Dawson said:
So you think if Iraola was not a fan of Hughes the club PR team would have issued a statement with him saying thank god he has gone? It’s a standard senior switch press release. He may well like him, he made him a rich man and gave him a chance in the worlds best league, I’m sure he also doesn’t like the unbalanced, injured squad he had to start the season with but we’re not going to here it in the leaving schmaltz fest.

Hughes and Blake had four goes to find a manager with a coherent attacking football philosophy and failed before succeeding. I know again you don’t agree with this and I’m fine with that so no need to point out Parker got the championships most expensive squad up in second and GON kept them up while boring us all to tears as evidence they were great appointments. They were for you, they weren’t for me and more importantly they weren’t for Hughes and Blake either as they spent a fortune getting rid of them all.
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I wasn't a press release Neil he was asked about Hughes at a press conference and that is how he answered. How arrogant do you have to be to think that you know better that Andoni what his views on Hughes are, so much so that you've accused him of lying in his answer to the question.

If Iraola thought of Hughes like you say he likely wouldn't be here. You say you're sure he doesn't like the squad.. based on what exactly? It b*llocks.

The failed with one managerial appointment and apparently they were against that but were overruled by the owner. All of the others were a success and that's why we are where we are. God knows where you think we'd be if they'd have been successful. Pie in the sky.
 
USCherry said:
I think the reason Hughes and Blake specifically would call the appointment of Parker and O'Neil a success is completely based on the outcome. Promotion and staying up. Us fans probably require a little more than that, but from a business perspective it was a success. A football perspective - well that is a little more subjective :D
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They are employed to do a job for the owners and I am very confident that both Max Demin and Bill Foley are delighted by their record on managerial appointments.
 
USCherry said:
I think the reason Hughes and Blake specifically would call the appointment of Parker and O'Neil a success is completely based on the outcome. Promotion and staying up. Us fans probably require a little more than that, but from a business perspective it was a success. A football perspective - well that is a little more subjective :D
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Any decent manager would have got and kept that squad up. The proof of that is two not so decent ones achieved the same. We should have been further along the journey without the cost of all those redundancies and jettisoning players not suitable to new systems. It’s been a very expensive management of Eddies legacy squad to get to the same end point we could have achieved a lot cheaper.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
I wasn't a press release Neil he was asked about Hughes at a press conference and that is how he answered. How arrogant do you have to be to think that you know better that Andoni what his views on Hughes are, so much so that you've accused him of lying in his answer to the question.

If Iraola thought of Hughes like you say he likely wouldn't be here. You say you're sure he doesn't like the squad.. based on what exactly? It b*llocks.

The failed with one managerial appointment and apparently they were against that but were overruled by the owner. All of the others were a success and that's why we are where we are. God knows where you think we'd be if they'd have been successful. Pie in the sky.
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I said he wouldn’t have liked the fact so much money got spent on injured players and he was left short in other positions. My opinion of course. He wouldn’t have known that when signing up in June.

You say Denim appointed JT because you read it online. Did he also give him the transfer window and then sack him before he put the players on the pitch? Who we blaming for that?
 
Neil Dawson said:
So you think if Iraola was not a fan of Hughes the club PR team would have issued a statement with him saying thank god he has gone? It’s a standard senior switch press release. He may well like him, he made him a rich man and gave him a chance in the worlds best league, I’m sure he also doesn’t like the unbalanced, injured squad he had to start the season with but we’re not going to hear it in the leaving schmaltz fest.

Hughes and Blake had four goes to find a manager with a coherent attacking football philosophy and failed before succeeding. I know again you don’t agree with this and I’m fine with that so no need to point out Parker got the championships most expensive squad up in second and GON kept them up while boring us all to tears as evidence they were great appointments. They were for you, they weren’t for me and more importantly they weren’t for Hughes and Blake either as they spent a fortune getting rid of them all.
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Neil, you need to give it a rest. We all know your convictions and we also know that no matter the circumstances or how successful those crap players we (Hughes) bought may turn out to be excellent; and how well Bill might think of Blake etc (pick your name), they'll always be shite as you've dug your heels in so firmly. Yet, somehow, here we are, in mid table of the Premier League and looking pretty good for the most on the field, after so many years in the lower tier, and yet so many players are not good enough. It truly beggars belief that you think we have so many in our squad that are so poor and the club is so poorly run. Look across football over the past century and can't you see how well, in relation to that, we are doing.
 
Neil Dawson said:
I said he wouldn’t have liked the fact so much money got spent on injured players and he was left short in other positions. My opinion of course. He wouldn’t have known that when signing up in June.

You say Denim appointed JT because you read it online. Did he also give him the transfer window and then sack him before he put the players on the pitch? Who we blaming for that?
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I'm sure he likes injuries as much as every other manager. They are a part of the game unfortunately. I suspect he is more than happy with the squad. The idea that it is unbalanced is a myth.

The itk guy on here seems to agree that Max appointed JT - I've no idea but it is a fact that he was the cheap option at a time when the club were facing financial meltdown due to COVID and relegation so it makes sense. I suspect it was Hughes and Blake who eventually convinced Demin to sack him and they were right to do so. That period was a mess though it's fair to say. I'd certainly mark them down for that. Appointing JW, Parker, O'Neil and Iraola were all decent decisions though.
 
Would be nice if someone gave it a rest, 8 out of 10 seasons in the Premier league, for a team our size, is not down to one guy or his legacy, it's a wide team from owners to manager to recruitment to dare I say it, head of operations.
It's really tedious to not just admit your wrong, like the guy who harped on about dom, no apology no backtrack, just waiting in the wings to stick the knife in.
No doubt every Liverpool loss next season will be down to one person.
 
Neil Dawson said:
I don’t think you police the message board unless I missed the announcement.

People have different views and if they are getting monotonous for you there’s the ignore feature to take it all away.
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Well, I’m sorry to have a view which I’ve expressed that differs from your tedious repetition. I don’t recall claiming to police the board and thanks to DJ for doing that. I don’t believe in using the ignore function. Others can use it if they want. Sure, you’re entitled to keep bleating on about the same thing over and over again but it’s pretty sad that you can’t see the wood from the trees. I like much of your other insights in other posts plus your quick wit but this monotonous droning on about the same thing without recognizing any comparison of today to our past detracts significantly from your normal commonsense. But…..that’s your call.
 
ForHeavensSake said:
Well, I’m sorry to have a view which I’ve expressed that differs from your tedious repetition. I don’t recall claiming to police the board and thanks to DJ for doing that. I don’t believe in using the ignore function. Others can use it if they want. Sure, you’re entitled to keep bleating on about the same thing over and over again but it’s pretty sad that you can’t see the wood from the trees. I like much of your other insights in other posts plus your quick wit but this monotonous droning on about the same thing without recognizing any comparison of today to our past detracts significantly from your normal commonsense. But…..that’s your call.
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You don’t have to apologise to me for having a different view to me. I’m not a person that likes to shut out people with different views, call them ‘sad’ or ‘tedious’ or ask them to give it a rest. I welcome reading them.
 
Neil Dawson said:
You don’t have to apologise to me for having a different view to me. I’m not a person that likes to shut out people with different views, call them ‘sad’ or ‘tedious’ or ask them to give it a rest. I welcome reading them.
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Okay and I’ll bow out of this discussion before I become as bad as others on this subject. Have a great weekend.
 
dragonm8 said:
www.espn.co.uk

Ranked: Of Europe's 96 clubs in top leagues, who spends smart and who wastes their money?

Based on spending throughout Europe, which clubs are overperforming their payroll, and who falls short? Ranking each team in the Premier League, LaLiga, Bundesliga, Serie A and Ligue 1.
www.espn.co.uk www.espn.co.uk


Apparently 23rd.


Can't see it myself, but this load of page filler should have SDD frothing at the mouth.
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Only Luton, Wolves, Brentford and Brighton ahead of us.

When you consider Luton are likely to go down, Wolves having a transition season and not spending and Brentford’s poor season that might drag them into the relegation mix. It’s only Brighton outperforming us in this country.
 
Neil Dawson said:
But people clinging to a tidbit/straw of performance in a role he hasn’t started to keep the sorry episode alive doesn’t attract any criticism in your book?
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Mate, I enjoy your posts... but it's been so far angled in a certain direction.....

Game of balance imo.

Overall he's proven himself to be extremely competent imo. Yes, not every deal had been a success. Point me in the direction of a DOF who had been to convince me otherwise.
 
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MB1980 said:
Overall he's proven himself to be extremely competent imo. Yes, not every deal had been a success.
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And I don’t think every deal has been a failure. Iraola, Tavs, Zab, are outstanding signings. Some people think he has got the balance of the 300m he’s spent right and some people don’t.

It’s not that big a deal and he’s gone anyway. People that think I’m repetitive keep naming me in threads… then when I reply I’m the repetitive one. The point I was making was tackle them as well if you want it to die down ;)
 
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