Non - 'Mental Health culture gone too far...'

I think every normal person goes through testing times in their life whether that's loss or a lack of belief in the world. But you need purpose and stewing at home doing nothing will rot your mind, if you have purpose and things to work on and do your mind will be healthier for it and you will make more money.
 
Vlad_The_Impaler said:
I think every normal person goes through testing times in their life whether that's loss or a lack of belief in the world. But you need purpose and stewing at home doing nothing will rot your mind, if you have purpose and things to work on and do your mind will be healthier for it and you will make more money.
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This is true as advice to people who can pick themselves back up but not everybody can.

I disagree with people saying it’s trendy now to have a condition. There’s just more awareness and there’s more mental stress in life. So we get more diagnoses for the right reasons. Previously it was hidden away and people self managed with booze and drugs. Saw a couple of people I grew up with go that way and kill themselves. I’d rather they’d got a diagnosis than be accused of following a trend.

Be kind people!
 
Neil Dawson said:
This is true as advice to people who can pick themselves back up but not everybody can.

I disagree with people saying it’s trendy now to have a condition. There’s just more awareness and there’s more mental stress in life. So we get more diagnoses for the right reasons. Previously it was hidden away and people self managed with booze and drugs. Saw a couple of people I grew up with go that way and kill themselves. I’d rather they’d got a diagnosis than be accused of following a trend.

Be kind people!
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Yes without doubt.

There are certainly people who need proper help/support. Doubt anyone believes it's a total non issue.

I think it'd be naive to think there arentvpeople who play on it though. Or as suggested in the srticle, convince themselves they're properly depressed/anxious, whereas they may be feeling something that is perfectly manageable/'normal' ups and downs of life, that most go through at certain points.

Problem is also the 'happiness' facade imo. Further enforced by people on social media show casing how great their life is and people feeling they're failing somehow by not being able to attain simikar lifestyle/luxuries.

Guess what , life isn't sunshine and rainbows 24/7. Its a struggle and most don't have it handed on a plate. 'Happiness' culture is bullsh1t imo, and part of the issue.

Happiness, or rather satisfaction and meaning comes from purpose and the 'work'/struggle that takes. Doing something meaningful.

Not owning a lambo, living a massive house and going on 5 luxury holidays a year. That's tge icing on the cake imo.

Many seem to want want the end result, but are turned off by the struggle and work it takes to attain it.

Man's search fir meaning by Victor Frankel is one of my favourite books and I highly recommend people read it. Goes into purpose/dedication to a cause yku believe In. That's where true satisfaction, peace and 'happiness' is derived from. Imo. If you have no purpose, you have no/little self worth. And that's where problems arise from for many people.

Frankl believed that the search for meaning “is the primary motivational force in man.” He believed that meaning came from three possible sources: purposeful work or creativity, love, and finding courage in the face of adversity.

Yet a meaning does not dispel difficulty. Frankl believed that suffering is not only an inevitable part of life, but that finding meaning in suffering is essential.
 
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MB1980 said:
Yes without doubt.

There are certainly people who need proper help/support. Doubt anyone believes it's a total non issue.

I think it'd be naive to think there arentvpeople who play on it though. Or as suggested in the srticle, convince themselves they're properly depressed/anxious, whereas they may be feeling something that is perfectly manageable/'normal' ups and downs of life, that most go through at certain points.

Problem is also the 'happiness' facade imo. Further enforced by people on social media show casing how great their life is and people feeling they're failing somehow by not being able to attain simikar lifestyle/luxuries.

Guess what , life isn't sunshine and rainbows 24/7. Its a struggle and most don't have it handed on a plate. 'Happiness' culture is bullsh1t imo, and part of the issue.

Happiness, or rather satisfaction and meaning comes from purpose and the 'work'/struggle that takes. Doing something meaningful.

Not owning a lambo, living a massive house and going on 5 luxury holidays a year. That's tge icing on the cake imo.

Many seem to want want the end result, but are turned off by the struggle and work it takes to attain it.

Man's search fir meaning by Victor Frankel is one of my favourite books and I highly recommend people read it. Goes into purpose/dedication to a cause yku believe In. That's where true satisfaction, peace and 'happiness' is derived from. Imo. If you have no purpose, you have no/little self worth. And that's where problems arise from for many people.

Frankl believed that the search for meaning “is the primary motivational force in man.” He believed that meaning came from three possible sources: purposeful work or creativity, love, and finding courage in the face of adversity.

Yet a meaning does not dispel difficulty. Frankl believed that suffering is not only an inevitable part of life, but that finding meaning in suffering is essential.
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I’m sure there are people that fake it. There were/are always people that fake physical disability claims too.

The problem is when you focus in on that, as some politicians like to do, you increase the embarrassment or reluctance factor for worthy cases. We should have a robust checking process and thorough medical diagnosis but this growing sentiment that ‘people are playing the mental health card’ is not helpful in trying to make the very real situation better in my opinion.
 
MB1980 said:
Or as suggested in the article, convince themselves they're properly depressed/anxious, whereas they may be feeling something that is perfectly manageable/'normal' ups and downs of life, that most go through at certain points.
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From personal experience down the years, when grade A depression/anxiety comes calling it puts all the stuff you thought were mental health issues rather than just the regular ups and downs of life into perspective

What have I learned?

If you speak to your GP and you get offered pills rather than talking therapy etc. think long and hard before taking them.

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Ken Baileys Ghost said:
From personal experience down the years, when when grade A depression/anxiety comes calling it puts all the stuff you thought were mental health issues rather than just the regular ups and downs of life into perspective

What have I learned?

If you speak to your GP and you get offered pills rather than talking therapy etc. think long and hard before taking them.

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Yep, it’s good to talk.

Never bottle anything up.

Good release valve is going to football.
 
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Ken Baileys Ghost said:
From personal experience down the years, when when grade A depression/anxiety comes calling it puts all the stuff you thought were mental health issues rather than just the regular ups and downs of life into perspective

What have I learned?

If you speak to your GP and you get offered pills rather than talking therapy etc. think long and hard before taking them.

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Yep. If you trueky are in dark place of course, yes.they mask the problem rather than fix it.

But ssri's seem to come with concerning list of potential side effects... ironically including suicidal thoughts.

No such thing as a free lunch when it comes to drugs.

No this simple fir people with a proper imbalance I know.

But my view on that kind of thing is make sure you're:

Eating healthy
Drinking water
Exercising
Getting fresh air/out in countryside
Don't drink alcohol/take drugs
Ensure you have purpose/something positive/constructive to focus on
Surround yoursekf with positive people
Remove negative influences etc

Before heading to Dr and guzzling pharmaceuticals

Problem is change is hard. And pills much more appealing in many ways I guess.

Those lifestyle choices don't work overnight, but make inevitable struggles/hard times 'easier' to deal with imo. Creates resilience. Otherwise can make yiu a sitting duck fir mental health to spiral when 'life' happens.
 
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Neil Dawson said:
I’m sure there are people that fake it. There were/are always people that fake physical disability claims too.

The problem is when you focus in on that, as some politicians like to do, you increase the embarrassment or reluctance factor for worthy cases. We should have a robust checking process and thorough medical diagnosis but this growing sentiment that ‘people are playing the mental health card’ is not helpful in trying to make the very real situation better in my opinion.
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I’ve been faking it for years ;-)
 
MB1980 said:
Yes without doubt.

There are certainly people who need proper help/support. Doubt anyone believes it's a total non issue.

I think it'd be naive to think there arentvpeople who play on it though. Or as suggested in the srticle, convince themselves they're properly depressed/anxious, whereas they may be feeling something that is perfectly manageable/'normal' ups and downs of life, that most go through at certain points.

Problem is also the 'happiness' facade imo. Further enforced by people on social media show casing how great their life is and people feeling they're failing somehow by not being able to attain simikar lifestyle/luxuries.

Guess what , life isn't sunshine and rainbows 24/7. Its a struggle and most don't have it handed on a plate. 'Happiness' culture is bullsh1t imo, and part of the issue.

Happiness, or rather satisfaction and meaning comes from purpose and the 'work'/struggle that takes. Doing something meaningful.

Not owning a lambo, living a massive house and going on 5 luxury holidays a year. That's tge icing on the cake imo.

Many seem to want want the end result, but are turned off by the struggle and work it takes to attain it.

Man's search fir meaning by Victor Frankel is one of my favourite books and I highly recommend people read it. Goes into purpose/dedication to a cause yku believe In. That's where true satisfaction, peace and 'happiness' is derived from. Imo. If you have no purpose, you have no/little self worth. And that's where problems arise from for many people.

Frankl believed that the search for meaning “is the primary motivational force in man.” He believed that meaning came from three possible sources: purposeful work or creativity, love, and finding courage in the face of adversity.

Yet a meaning does not dispel difficulty. Frankl believed that suffering is not only an inevitable part of life, but that finding meaning in suffering is essential.
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Many things well said here MB. I think the mindfulness thing has a lot of merit too which is really Buddhism based which itself gives a lot of help in how to manage and improve mental health in all kinds of situations. Not easy to practice but then the simple things never are. A lot of good authors out there, but I found Wherever You Go There You Are by Jon Kabbat-Zin particularly relevant/practical.

Just as an aside- I was at Stanpit yesterday morning shortly after dawn, ostensibly to photograph Wheatear dropping through on their migration North, but in that post-dawn golden light and birdsong all around I thought it was a mindfulness treasure trove.
 
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