Arsenal v AFC Bournemouth - Saturday 12.30 pm

kirsikka said:
The problem with abandoning VAR is it wouldn't make the Big Six bias any better. I remember before it came in we had a run of dubious (read: wrong) decisions against them over a couple of seasons. For those incorrect decisions that happened when the match was still in the balance (who cares if you get a dodgy penalty when you're 4-0 down) went 100% in favour of the Six. It was laughably bad.

If we went back to no VAR and gave them another excuse, when they're prepared to do this with video replays, you can expect it to be even worse than it was before. As now they can say "You didn't want VAR, it was just an honest mistake".

The whole thing has kind of snookered everyone apart from the usual suspects.

Then you need to also to consider fan goggles. I saw a thread yesterday where Man Utd fans were commenting on our match talking about how outrageous VAR is, how ridiculous the decisions against AFCB were in the match, how Arsenal always get these decisions and how they never do. It's only weeks since they got the same kind of decisions in a match against us!

I have no clue what the answer is but I am 100% confident that removing VAR will make the Big Six refereeing decisions even worse. Which is depressing.
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Oh absolutely the big club bias would continue. But at least we wouldn't have to wait 5 minutes for each dodgy call
 
Northbourne Reds said:
Lineker should have asked him if he thought it would have been given up the other end today.

Jenas wouldn't have had the bollox to say no.

Stick to The One show Jermaine.
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Exactly this. And the funny thing is I think Lineker originally asked Ian Wright what he thought of the pen decision- Wright immediately sidestepped and asked Jenas what he thought. Yet I saw Wright's twitter stream during the game and he said definitely no penalty. That comment wouldn't have served MOTD's top-three-love-in narrative though would it. It's so blatant it's almost amateur
 
Rob151060 said:
Exactly this. And the funny thing is I think Lineker originally asked Ian Wright what he thought of the pen decision- Wright immediately sidestepped and asked Jenas what he thought. Yet I saw Wright's twitter stream during the game and he said definitely no penalty. That comment wouldn't have served MOTD's top-three-love-in narrative though would it. It's so blatant it's almost amateur
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I noticed that....Wright looked really uncomfortable.
 
DJ said:
Basically it’s down to what you’re trying to clear up. It works in tennis and cricket because you’re dealing with a matter of fact. Has a ball or a bat crossed a line or is about to hit something? Yes/No - jobs a guddun. Done move on, nice and quick.

Anything else you have humans interpretation of a law written by humans and increasingly making a decision by committee.

Let’s have goal line technology. Semi automated offsides to appease the binary types and then leave the rest to how it should be done. A game played and refereed by humans with human error by participants and officials just accepted and discussed and argued like it always has been.
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VAR was introduced to ASSIST the on field official by notifying breaking of the laws such as holding and shirt pulling and cynical cheating. The decision on applying the laws of the game is the responsibility of the match referee.
The VAR team failed to notify the diving for penalty and the shirt pull before the disallowed goal.
The pgmol is funded to ensure it's officials apply the laws of the game consistently without fear of favour. Stay tuned for Howard Webb explaining how this is going.
#showpgmoltheredcard
 
kirsikka said:
The problem with abandoning VAR is it wouldn't make the Big Six bias any better. I remember before it came in we had a run of dubious (read: wrong) decisions against them over a couple of seasons. For those incorrect decisions that happened when the match was still in the balance (who cares if you get a dodgy penalty when you're 4-0 down) went 100% in favour of the Six. It was laughably bad.

If we went back to no VAR and gave them another excuse, when they're prepared to do this with video replays, you can expect it to be even worse than it was before. As now they can say "You didn't want VAR, it was just an honest mistake".

The whole thing has kind of snookered everyone apart from the usual suspects.

Then you need to also to consider fan goggles. I saw a thread yesterday where Man Utd fans were commenting on our match talking about how outrageous VAR is, how ridiculous the decisions against AFCB were in the match, how Arsenal always get these decisions and how they never do. It's only weeks since they got the same kind of decisions in a match against us!

I have no clue what the answer is but I am 100% confident that removing VAR will make the Big Six refereeing decisions even worse. Which is depressing.
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It would make the game better. That’s what I care about.
 
I don't think it's been mentioned, but one minor thing that annoyed me yesterday was that 'Goal' was written in multiple languages on the big screen whenever Arsenal scored. It was pandering to the foreign market one step too far in my view (although I still don't know why this has annoyed me so much).

We must be in with a shout of an apology for the disallowed goal.
 
Just watched our game on iPlayer.

When Wright was asked by Lineker if he thought it was a penalty, Jenas spoke up and said he thought it was.

But he also thought we should have had a penalty when Billing was pulled down and the pundits also thought our goal should have stood as there was little contact from Solanke on Reya.
 
billythekid said:
Just watched our game on iPlayer.

When Wright was asked by Lineker if he thought it was a penalty, Jenas spoke up and said he thought it was.

But he also thought we should have had a penalty when Billing was pulled down and the pundits also thought our goal should have stood as there was little contact from Solanke on Reya.
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Yes the foul on Billing was before the Reya incident which Mike Dean at the time said.

Looks like they didn't look at that.
 
Just noticed as MOTD highlighted Rice’s run into the box for their 3rd that not only did Faivre give the ball away in the first place but also that Rice ran right behind him to score as he was ball watching. I know we he hasn’t had much game time yet but that’s schoolboy stuff surely?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Yep, it doesn't work that well in rugby union imo.
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As a part time plastic rugby watcher, seems to me they’ve fiddled with it a little much. They had something that worked but I guess the temptation is always to build on it, can’t leave anything alone. Maybe they share that with football’s authorities.

Now using it for the noble purpose of judging tackles, limiting head contact, with all the discussion around concussions and issues later in life. Perfectly understandable. But it’s brought their VAR into very subjective and contextual matters and gotten very messy.

How high was the tackler and how well does he wrap arms. how low was the runner, what’s the intent, where’s the ball, slow it all down and run it back and forth 10 times. 5 pundits between them come up with 5 different conclusions. Nobody’s really any the wiser.
 
The TLDR of the stats.

Very good defensive stats for Ouattara: Won 5 out of 6 tackles and 5 out of 5 headers. Joint most interceptions, most recoveries, most clearances and highest number of defensive actions.

xG firmly in Arsenal’s favour, although controversial penalty to Arsenal, and disallowed AFCB goal.

No successful crosses from AFCB

Second lowest number of defensive actions this season after Nottm Forest away.
 
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The bias issue won’t be solved by abandoning VAR, it would however be solved if VAR was implemented differently.

I’m sure that if the referee had the opportunity to re watch our disallowed goal and their penalty on the screen that he would have overturned both decisions, he couldn’t not really because although both fall into the category of being incredibly soft rather than out and out objective errors, both decisions were still ultimately incorrect and any rational person watching them back would b able to see that.

The problem is that the majority of calls in football have at least some element of subjectivity to them, and whenever that is the case they stick religiously to the on field decision, even when it is clearly wrong.

For the system to actually work, the referees need to be given the opportunity to watch back these major subjective calls too. The only way that penalty was getting overturned yesterday is if ZERO contact was made, despite the fact the rules themselves stipulate that contact doesn’t necessarily equate to a penalty. They only get involved when subjectivity is removed completely.

Implementing it this way would mean a lot more breaks in play but if you are going to have a system in place what’s the point if it’s not being implemented properly? The way it is now we have the worst of both worlds, we still have the poor decisions and the big club bias but we also have the long delays too. You either do it properly or not at all. If we are going to suffer big club bias then I’d prefer to just suffer it and not have to wait an additional five minutes for them not to overturn a clearly incorrect decision due to subjectivity.
 
At the moment the ref just stands around with his finger to his ear, presumably listening to the var assistants. He then waits to be summoned to the screen. They then have to go through it all again.

It would make far more sense if he went straight to the screen so he could actually see the replays and be part of the conversation. That way, they may actually pick up some of the stuff that var seems to miss. It would also speed things up a bit.
 
We were discussing their flags and banners around the stadium yesterday, and reckoned ours would look impressive with flags labelled 'Piddlehinton Reds', 'Crossways Cherries', 'Ameysford Army' and other such great places.
 
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