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Does anyone understand the handball rule anymore? Doing an impression of the Christ Redeemer while defending is apparently a natural position now. hopefully no more players with arms behind their back...
Hi Phil,As most of us understand, there is no conspiracy against "smaller" clubs and certainly not against AFCB.
Referees are human and make mistakes - I certainly have made my share when officiating.
Because there was confusion over handling the ball, IFAB has tried to simplify the Law. Regrettably, the English language is very difficult to master and sometimes the words get in the way of the message.
Anyway, anything above the deltoid muscle is not regarded as handball. Below that spot it is a possible infringement. The infringement is called when the player's arm is in an outstretched position, an unnatural position: if you reach out and make your body bigger and the ball hits the arm / hand, then it is an infringement and probably a caution.
The referee must determine whether the player deliberately handled as there are situations where he / she could not get out of the way of the ball, he was too close or it came off his body. Here there is no infringement - but see the next bit.
The complexity arises however depending on the situation.
You cannot score a legitimate goal if the ball hits your arm, even if it is truly accidental and you could not avoid the contact.
Neither can a goal be scored if you handle the ball and it goes to a teammate who scores directly from it.
Just to add to this, if a player slides and the ball hits the arm which is bracing his body on the ground, this is not penalised as handball.
I think what concerns us most, even we match officials, is not the stopping of play, but the inconsistency from game to game. That gives rise to conspiracy theories.
Cheers all.
You are correct Matt. The key is that your handball is not deemed deliberate.Hi Phil,
I thought you could score if the ball is handled and a team mate scores as long as the handball wasn’t deliberate. So if Solanke had passed it against Shef Utd that goal would have stood as it was accidental handball.
Can you check?
Absolutely criminal.
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Does anyone understand the handball rule anymore? Doing an impression of the Christ Redeemer while defending is apparently a natural position now. hopefully no more players with arms behind their back...
Is it a conspiracy theory if there's a considerable body of evidence as proof?I think what concerns us most, even we match officials, is not the stopping of play, but the inconsistency from game to game. That gives rise to conspiracy theories.
Cheers all.
As most of us understand, there is no conspiracy against "smaller" clubs and certainly not against AFCB.
Referees are human and make mistakes - I certainly have made my share when officiating.
Because there was confusion over handling the ball, IFAB has tried to simplify the Law. Regrettably, the English language is very difficult to master and sometimes the words get in the way of the message.
Anyway, anything above the deltoid muscle is not regarded as handball. Below that spot it is a possible infringement. The infringement is called when the player's arm is in an outstretched position, an unnatural position: if you reach out and make your body bigger and the ball hits the arm / hand, then it is an infringement and probably a caution.
The referee must determine whether the player deliberately handled as there are situations where he / she could not get out of the way of the ball, he was too close or it came off his body. Here there is no infringement - but see the next bit.
The complexity arises however depending on the situation.
You cannot score a legitimate goal if the ball hits your arm, even if it is truly accidental and you could not avoid the contact.
Neither can a goal be scored if you handle the ball and it goes to a teammate who scores directly from it.
Just to add to this, if a player slides and the ball hits the arm which is bracing his body on the ground, this is not penalised as handball.
I think what concerns us most, even we match officials, is not the stopping of play, but the inconsistency from game to game. That gives rise to conspiracy theories.
Cheers all.
While I don't think there's a vendetta against smaller clubs, I do think that it's easier from an official's career standpoint to give wrong decisions against them. We saw this pre-VAR and we're seeing it now, magnified further in the VAR era.
I totally agree that the issue lies within the open interpretation of the rulings. If Stockley Park can't get things consistent then what hope does the man in black have? If they have to introduce physical, measurable criteria which means we at least get a consistent outcome then at least everyone knows where they stand, as they do with offsides now 98% of the time.
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Does anyone understand the handball rule anymore? Doing an impression of the Christ Redeemer while defending is apparently a natural position now. hopefully no more players with arms behind their back...
I'd add to this that the overall standard of refereeing seems very poor in the PL. I know every game is different and every team has a different agenda on trying to gain advantage by play acting but the referee against Luton showed that there is and could be an improvement in officiating if the PGMOL had the balls to act against poor referees. There are good refs out there who should be promoted through their performances and not fast tracked to tick certain boxes. The PGMOL also needs to be more transparent and although Howard Webb comes across as making a difference its always apologising after mistakes have been made. For most clubs although annoying and frustrating it ultimately won't decide their season but for the clubs at the bottom of the league mistakes could potentially cost them millions and millions of pounds in revenue. I think the old saying ' it evens itself out over season ' doesn't apply anymore. Big clubs get the decisions, small clubs don't.While I don't think there's a vendetta against smaller clubs, I do think that it's easier from an official's career standpoint to give wrong decisions against them. We saw this pre-VAR and we're seeing it now, magnified further in the VAR era.
I totally agree that the issue lies within the open interpretation of the rulings. If Stockley Park can't get things consistent then what hope does the man in black have? If they have to introduce physical, measurable criteria which means we at least get a consistent outcome then at least everyone knows where they stand, as they do with offsides now 98% of the time.
I'm not sure of your interpretation, to get to "here there is no infringement".Anyway, anything above the deltoid muscle is not regarded as handball. Below that spot it is a possible infringement. The infringement is called when the player's arm is in an outstretched position, an unnatural position: if you reach out and make your body bigger and the ball hits the arm / hand, then it is an infringement and probably a caution.
The referee must determine whether the player deliberately handled as there are situations where he / she could not get out of the way of the ball, he was too close or it came off his body. Here there is no infringement - but see the next bit..
Michael Oliver seems to do that more but maybe as he is younger .I think refs like Mike Dean and Gallagher use to come across as arrogant,the better ones would talk to the players on the same level,but I couldn’t be a ref with all the shite they get.
You see, for me, that's clearly ball to arm. You don't want players blasting balls from close range at defenders hoping to get a cheap penalty. And holding your arms close to your body is 'unnatural'. For a sportsman, I wouldn't say his arm is in a position that is unnormal, shall we say. So, no infringment for me.I'm not sure of your interpretation, to get to "here there is no infringement".
Surely his arm is in an unnatural position, end of. Whether he doesn't have time to get his arm out of the way, or it's unintentional, or it's a clear and obvious error, doesn't matter. His arm is in an unnatural position, it's not for balance.
Really?As most of us understand, there is no conspiracy against "smaller" clubs and certainly not against AFCB.