VAR

Mark WFC said:
They know they messed up big time here !

And was too late before it was noticed.

Had play restarted at that point or not because my understanding is once they cannot go back to the decision being checked.

Is that right ?
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If smaller clubs are playing, they just go back, they're not too scared to stop the game

Surprised no one has mentioned that we had actually scored a goal at Burnley and they disallowed it and went back to award them a penalty. (rightly or wrongly..)


Love the commentary ;)
 
beds cherry said:
If smaller clubs are playing, they just go back, they're not too scared to stop the game

Surprised no one has mentioned that we had actually scored a goal at Burnley and they disallowed it and went back to award them a penalty. (rightly or wrongly..)


Love the commentary ;)
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I immediately thought of this incident but the difference is there was no dead ball kick off between the arm and the goal, it was all during one run of play. The Liverpool one was they kicked off the offside and there was no way of stopping the play after that and give the goal
 
VAR is bad enough as it is but it will be a disaster if they now say they can go back and interfere after the free kick or kick off has happened. It's bad enough as it is with never being sure if a goal has actually been scored or not, in future you'll never be sure.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
VAR is bad enough as it is but it will be a disaster if they now say they can go back and interfere after the free kick or kick off has happened. It's bad enough as it is with never being sure if a goal has actually been scored or not, in future you'll never be sure.
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It would be, but this case is different - the VAR team had made the correct judgment but there was a communication failure with the ref. I think there is a case for getting the right decision to the ref and going back and awarding the goal.
 
JohnHold said:
It would be, but this case is different - the VAR team had made the correct judgment but there was a communication failure with the ref. I think there is a case for getting the right decision to the ref and going back and awarding the goal.
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No this isn't different. It's a human error same as all the other human errors that lead to bad decisions. Communication error or other error it's the same outcome and one that has happened throughout the history of football. Retrospective refereeing with VAR already destroys the spontaneity of being a football supporter. Allowing these reviews to continue long after play has resumed will make it even worse. How will you ever really know if a goal has or hasn't been scored?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
No this isn't different. It's a human error same as all the other human errors that lead to bad decisions. Communication error or other error it's the same outcome and one that has happened throughout the history of football. Retrospective refereeing with VAR already destroys the spontaneity of being a football supporter. Allowing these reviews to continue long after play has resumed will make it even worse. How will you ever really know if a goal has or hasn't been scored?
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That’s already the case with VAR anyway. So on this occasion the best option would have been to stop play. It was literally highlighted within a second of play resuming. Common sense would be for the VAR to scream in the refs ear and stop the game.

Sure it’s hokeycokey refereeing but who cares how many in outs in outs there are before you shake it all about.
 
USCherry said:
I immediately thought of this incident but the difference is there was no dead ball kick off between the arm and the goal, it was all during one run of play. The Liverpool one was they kicked off the offside and there was no way of stopping the play after that and give the goal
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What would happen if an attacker goes down in the area, and the ref gives a goal kick which the goalkeeper takes very quickly before the VAR official has had time to have a think?
 
USCherry said:
I immediately thought of this incident but the difference is there was no dead ball kick off between the arm and the goal, it was all during one run of play. The Liverpool one was they kicked off the offside and there was no way of stopping the play after that and give the goal
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Nope

The difference was that Liverpool weren’t affected
 
One of the things in that footage and audio of their error that's gone without comment is how arbitrary it all is when they are drawing the lines for offside. They pick the best frame of footage to represent when the ball is kicked but it's not accurate. The lines and angles are also not very accurate either yet they are disallowing goals due to the position of toenails and armpits.

The whole thing is a joke.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
One of the things in that footage and audio of their error that's gone without comment is how arbitrary it all is when they are drawing the lines for offside. They pick the best frame of footage to represent when the ball is kicked but it's not accurate. The lines and angles are also not very accurate either yet they are disallowing goals due to the position of toenails and armpits.

The whole thing is a joke.
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To be fair they were shown 3 frames...the foot just before touching the ball...the foot touching the ball and then the next frame as its pushing the ball. They chose the frame of first contact. Thats absolutely fine and accurate. The lines for the actual offside are designed on a grid that is checked before every match. Its spot on.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
To be fair they were shown 3 frames...the foot just before touching the ball...the foot touching the ball and then the next frame as its pushing the ball. They chose the frame of first contact. Thats absolutely fine and accurate. The lines for the actual offside are designed on a grid that is checked before every match. Its spot on.
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Funnily enough your way of thinking about the world is similar to what that woman described in her twitter thread. That there is an objectively 'correct' answer and that technology allows us to get closer to this factually correct answer.

In reality humans have to pick an imperfect frame of footage that most closely fits the timing of the contact with the ball then they have to draw lines using imperfect camera angles and place them on body parts of players as best they can. It is anything but spot on. It is as open to error as not using technology at all.

Football is a bunch of humans running around and trying their best. One of them is the referee. The best way of keeping the integrity of the game is to accept that the impartial referee is the final arbiter of every decision. What he decides is necessarily correct even if he was mistaken in the way he made the decision.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
To be fair they were shown 3 frames...the foot just before touching the ball...the foot touching the ball and then the next frame as its pushing the ball. They chose the frame of first contact. Thats absolutely fine and accurate. The lines for the actual offside are designed on a grid that is checked before every match. Its spot on.
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It’s not spot on at all! The frame rates don’t allow it to be. About 100 pages back this was all covered with numerous yards of imperfection.
 
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