Non - Brexit

stanthevan said:
I honestly don't understand what people expect from the EU. We are saying that we created Brexit, completely buggered it up and now we want the EU to bend over backwards to help us get out of the mess we made. It simply won't happen.
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But if the leavers now concentrate on how nasty the bad old EU are for not renegotiating something that they though was done and dusted, they might garner a few of the wavering leave supporters again.

That constant drip drip of just how shite and unfair the EU is will have an effect.
 
redharry said:
I never expected anything but a hard battle with the EU. They were never going to make life easy for us in case it encouraged a few others to think likewise. Our politicians should have realised that right from the off and from day 1 put in place full preparations for no deal.
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What the Tories should have realised from the f**cking off is that a referendum on leaving the EU could have (and did) end up nearly 50/50 and divide the country for years to come.

Brexit is the Tories' baby - they are the culprits. 'Politicians' of all parties have been dragged into it because of their non stop fighting over Europe.
 
Ken Baileys Ghost said:
But if the leavers now concentrate on how nasty the bad old EU are for not renegotiating something that they though was done and dusted, they might garner a few of the wavering leave supporters again.

That constant drip drip of just how shite and unfair the EU is will have an effect.
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You'd think.

But somehow remainers keep on turning a blind eye to what Jean Claude Drunker and his federalist mates say and do throughout this process.

The EU is like a jilted lover who you unfortunately work with. Clearly a relationship has to continue after we leave but the EU is so bitter and twisted over our even considering leaving that revenge and punishment is their only agenda.

And let's have it right, if by some perverse twist we ended up staying in the EU it wouldn't suddenly be all roses... Nope, the EU would keep punishing us forever and a day.
 
beds cherry said:
What the Tories should have realised from the f**cking off is that a referendum on leaving the EU could have (and did) end up nearly 50/50 and divide the country for years to come.

Brexit is the Tories' baby - they are the culprits. 'Politicians' of all parties have been dragged into it because of their non stop fighting over Europe.
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So because 50% of the country don't like the direction of travel regarding the EU - we should just ignore them, bury our head in the sand, and carry on regardless? Because it's easiest and most convenient for the South East of England? You think that would be a long term sustainable status quo?

The backbone of the Brexit vote are not Tory voters, far from it in fact. They wanted a voice. It just so happened that the Tory's split over Europe gave them the oppertunity to express that voice.
 
Not one person on here has stated;
1. The benefits of staying in an unworkable alliance that is the EU!
2 The merits or demerits of coming Out.
3. Who would have done it any better than May.

Why? Because no one will attache their name to something that someone will ridicule!

Lots of rhetoric about the ins and outs of a badgers ar#e.
Not much else!
The only thing offered up....that some people might lose jobs....which happens all the time anyway!
What the Fk has this country turned into since WW2 in terms of Vision and Enterprise?
WE CAN TRADE WITH WHO WE DAMN WELL LIKE anywhere round the World ...it's 2018!!!! What can Juncker do about it......Nothing!
 
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BillMcgarrycherry said:
Not one person on here has stated;
1. The benefits of staying in an unworkable alliance that is the EU!
2 The merits or demerits of coming Out.
3. Who would have done it any better than May.

Why? Because no one will attache their name to something that someone will ridicule!

Lots of rhetoric about the ins and outs of a badgers ar#e.
Not much else!
The only thing offered up....that some people might lose jobs....which happens all the time anyway!
What the Fk has this country turned into since WW2 in terms of Vision and Enterprise?
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Really ?? There’s 200 pages of people giving there opinions on just those topics ...go on then font of all knowledge , be that first poster to stick your head over the parapet ..as you said you been reading up on it for a couple of weeks.
 
corfe_red said:
Irish border problem...Phaa........Tell the Republic to have their own referendum, if they vote to leave, fine...
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The Irish did have a referendum about the Lisbon Treaty. In fact Ireland was the only country that let the people decide on that and the people rejected it.

That made the EU cross. The Irish PM told the EU about all the stuff the Irish people didn't like in the treaty, there was lots.

However, the EU didn't change the treaty, instead it made a series of 'declarations' about how various bits of the treaty could be interpreted. They then told the Irish PM to have a second referendum.

He did, the Irish voted the other way but, as the declarations are untested, no-one knows whether they're enforceable for the Irish.

However what we do know is that the EU gets very haughty if it doesn't get its own way...
 
Ken Baileys Ghost said:
Durrrrr?

Those 'few things' are the benfits we're going to lose.
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Durrrr ? Stop talking in Purbeck :). I was answering druss who was insinuating leavers were having a meltdown about not keeping these so called benefits ? If he's on about remainers moaning about losing these benefits then fair play (like you) but clearly he ain't.
 
wallmth said:
Really ?? There’s 200 pages of people giving there opinions on just those topics ...go on then font of all knowledge , be that first poster to stick your head over the parapet ..as you said you been reading up on it for a couple of weeks.
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F##k s##t....you want more....? I've said plenty enough on this forum...I don't want to get banned like I've been from pub quizzes!
All I want is a positive plan from a Government in tune with the needs of ALL people irrespective of right or left leaning...casting off all Fear!
 
...can't wait for the film to come out on Netflix..."When Two Worlds Drift Apart"...

the soundtrack; (from my collection)

Should I Stay or Should I go? - The Clash

Walls Come Tumbling Down - The Style Council

Wasteland - The Jam

La Folie - The Stranglers

I Can't Breakaway - Tracey Ullman

With or Without You - U2

Bang & Blame - REM

Eve of Destruction - Bob Dylan

Ca Plan Pour Moi - Plastic Bertrand

Alternative Ulster - Stiff Little Fingers

Games Without Frontiers- Peter Gabriel

Submission - The Sex Pistols

Giving It All Away - Roger Daltrey

State of Independence - Yes

Banana Republic - Boomtown Rats
 
Why should we be Little Europers ( Championship/ Div 1 level)...when we can be in the World Premier League ...as is frequently stated we are in the Top Six Economies and London one is of the major Finance Capitals!
 
beds cherry said:
What the Tories should have realised from the f**cking off is that a referendum on leaving the EU could have (and did) end up nearly 50/50 and divide the country for years to come.

Brexit is the Tories' baby - they are the culprits. 'Politicians' of all parties have been dragged into it because of their non stop fighting over Europe.
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All parties have been fighting over Europe for decades, so hardly a Tory baby as such.

1974: Labour, under leader Harold Wilson, promises a referendum on whether to remain in the EEC in the party's election manifesto

1983: In their election manifesto, Labour, under leader Michael Foot, pledge to begin negotiations to withdraw from the EU "within the lifetime" of the following Parliament. Labour lose the election

2005: Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats all promise a referendum on whether to ratify the EU Constitution in their general election manifestos. France and the Netherlands reject the proposal in referendums

2008: Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg calls for an "in-out" referendum on UK membership of the EU.

April 2010: In their election manifesto, the Lib Dems pledge to hold an "in-out" referendum the next time there is a "fundamental change" in the EU's treaty arrangements


and so on..there's plenty of other dates, I just picked out a few to prove we have always been pretty damned unsettled in the EU and every party has made various threats to leave at some point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15390884
 
AFCB Lost in Brum said:
You'd think.

But somehow remainers keep on turning a blind eye to what Jean Claude Drunker and his federalist mates say and do throughout this process.

The EU is like a jilted lover who you unfortunately work with. Clearly a relationship has to continue after we leave but the EU is so bitter and twisted over our even considering leaving that revenge and punishment is their only agenda.

And let's have it right, if by some perverse twist we ended up staying in the EU it wouldn't suddenly be all roses... Nope, the EU would keep punishing us forever and a day.
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But I thought we could just leave and it wouldn't be a problem. It looks to me like we don't actually hold many cards at all.

Wanting to leave but wanting to keep the best parts seems to be a pretty dreadful approach.
 
AFCB Lost in Brum said:
The EU is like a jilted lover who you unfortunately work with. Clearly a relationship has to continue after we leave but the EU is so bitter and twisted over our even considering leaving that revenge and punishment is their only agend
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WTF?

So all that stuff May has already got isn't the EU compromising?

Sorry, I must be a bit thick.

If the EU had just told us to go fuckoff and die when we announced that we didn't love them any more then I could understand your comment.


At no time have the EU been in my bedroom while I was out and cut up my shirts, so I think it must still quite like me.
 
Not saying it would have happened, but once the result was known two years ago the whole of Parliament should have got together and accepted the result.

Then they should have had the best negotiators from across parties to get the best deal for the UK.

The EU would have known we were united and going in with a strong hand.

As it turns out, people have tried to stop/turnover a democratic vote, which was decided by a large turnout of the British people, with just under 52% voting to Leave.

This left us with a weakened hand to negotiate.

For a change in politics, the Majority won.
 
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Garbo said:
...can't wait for the film to come out on Netflix..."When Two Worlds Drift Apart"...

the soundtrack; (from my collection)

Should I Stay or Should I go? - The Clash

Walls Come Tumbling Down - The Style Council

Wasteland - The Jam

La Folie - The Stranglers

I Can't Breakaway - Tracey Ullman

With or Without You - U2

Bang & Blame - REM

Eve of Destruction - Bob Dylan

Ca Plan Pour Moi - Plastic Bertrand

Alternative Ulster - Stiff Little Fingers

Games Without Frontiers- Peter Gabriel

Submission - The Sex Pistols

Giving It All Away - Roger Daltrey

State of Independence - Yes

Banana Republic - Boomtown Rats
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One album would suffice
Pink Floyd The Wall
 
It was a tiny majority, Billy and there was no way we were ever going to be united as a nation. Do you really think over half the population would vote for a hard Brexit with all the social and economic chaos it would cause because that is a real possibility now.
 
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