Non - Brexit

RobTrent said:
Nor me, but when this is how they treat people who have made minor errors on their applications

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...iang-faces-deportation-visa-application-error

I'm non-too hopeful that refugees will fare much better.
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Yeah it’s called bureaucracy Rob I’m sure we’ve all had to deal with it in our life’s from time to time . There there seems to be a lot of “ coulds “ and “initially‘s “ in that report and plus of course it’s the Guardian .... I’m more than happy to make a friendly wager with you that she’ll never get deported .. for a charity of your choice of course .;)
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
List my "numerous" predictions that have been totally wrong...

I fully understand the concept, its clearly you pretending you dont so you dont have to admit the truth.
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Apologies I must be getting my Drusses mixed up ;) I'm pretty sure the other Druss warned people that people with high mortgages were at risk (Interest rate rise ), companies would go to the wall, there would be job losses, a 20% devaluation of the pound would wreck businesses (and the country ) and I'm sure he jumped on the recession band wagon as well. I think the other druss also predicted everything in his house would be more expensive to buy and the movement and shipping of these goods would be more expensive..... and the average family would be worse off with a lower pound.

Yet the consumer price Index is the lowest since 2016, unemployment at record lows and our GDP (which has been steadily rising since the vote )is second to only Germany in the EU *who happen to be bordering on recession.
 
red_house said:
Apologies I must be getting my Drusses mixed up ;) I'm pretty sure the other Druss warned people that people with high mortgages were at risk (Interest rate rise ), companies would go to the wall, there would be job losses, a 20% devaluation of the pound would wreck businesses (and the country ) and I'm sure he jumped on the recession band wagon as well. I think the other druss also predicted everything in his house would be more expensive to buy and the movement and shipping of these goods would be more expensive..... and the average family would be worse off with a lower pound.

Yet the consumer price Index is the lowest since 2016, unemployment at record lows and our GDP (which has been steadily rising since the vote )is second to only Germany in the EU *who happen to be bordering on recession.
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As you know from private messages we had in the past. Businesses HAVE gone to the wall (one I worked for) jobs have been lost (colleagues, friends and my own) and there is likely to be a recession. Some of that has happened, some of that will happen as a result of Brexit actually happening.

"our GDP (which has been steadily rising since the vote )" Has it now? Im sure I pulled you up on this one the last time you said it. It literally went down for the year after the vote. Why pretend you got the figures wrong again?

Also interest rates have gone up since the vote.

So in fact everything I said?
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
As you know from private messages we had in the past. Businesses HAVE gone to the wall (one I worked for) jobs have been lost (colleagues, friends and my own) and there is likely to be a recession. Some of that has happened, some of that will happen as a result of Brexit actually happening.

"our GDP (which has been steadily rising since the vote )" Has it now? Im sure I pulled you up on this one the last time you said it. It literally went down for the year after the vote. Why pretend you got the figures wrong again?

Also interest rates have gone up since the vote.

So in fact everything I said?
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Did you mention the last 2 quarters of negative growth?
One more and it's a recession.
 
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Yeah it’s called bureaucracy Rob I’m sure we’ve all had to deal with it in our life’s from time to time . There there seems to be a lot of “ coulds “ and “initially‘s “ in that report and plus of course it’s the Guardian .... I’m more than happy to make a friendly wager with you that she’ll never get deported .. for a charity of your choice of course .;)
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ok, I suspect I'll be paying the tenner but how about this charity:

https://www.bendrigg.org.uk
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
As you know from private messages we had in the past. Businesses HAVE gone to the wall (one I worked for) jobs have been lost (colleagues, friends and my own) and there is likely to be a recession. Some of that has happened, some of that will happen as a result of Brexit actually happening.

"our GDP (which has been steadily rising since the vote )" Has it now? Im sure I pulled you up on this one the last time you said it. It literally went down for the year after the vote. Why pretend you got the figures wrong again?

Also interest rates have gone up since the vote.

So in fact everything I said?
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I believe we had a couple of messages and I fully empathised with your colleagues. That was the end of it. If you want to continue with that conversation feel free to PM me.

Yes a recession might happen but you forecast it would happen when my goldfish was 1 year old.....its now 4.

Interest rates have gone up a smidgen...but you were basically telling people with a large mortgage to call the Samaritans...

GDP....you post a chart,I post a chart but the 'real GDP chart's are here. Its more accurate than nominal GDP.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/timeseries/abmi/qna

Explanation of real GDP..

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/7397/economics/gdp-at-chained-volume-measure/


Here's an Idea druss...you agreed Brexit would happen so why don't we concentrate on how it will happen instead of dragging us this tedious old shite ...
 
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SlowDownDerek said:
That it is an anti Semitic trope is surely a matter of fact. It's been pointed out by a number of Jewish people including Robert Peston, David Baddiel, etc. and has been extensively written about in the past. That's not to say she meant it - she got sacked for her ties to Israel if I recall so unlikely that she's an anti Semite - still a careless use of language in a pre-prepared speech. One which, as I say, any Labour politician would have been slaughtered over irrespective of their intention.
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So first you DIG OUT Priti Patel for "...attacking "north London metropolitan liberal elites" in her speech. Surely a classic anti Semitic trope - if Corbyn had said that."

Then, when I point out the realities of my actually having lived there, your new argument is that its definitely an anti-semetic trope BUT she probably didn't mean it cos she's tight with Israel... SO WHY THE **************** BRING IT UP?!

You've absolutely tied yourself up in knots there mate!

Look, despite what you've read in the papers, my experience is based in the real world.

The 'north London metropolitan liberal elites' are not defined by race or religion, instead they're the people who are absolutely convinced they know better than everyone else despite the evidence... Sound familiar? ;):D:whistle:
 
AlGard said:
Her parents left before Amin took over in 71.
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You missed the point.

The Indians in Uganda were British citizens. As British citizens they came to the UK, (both before and after Amin took power), in the same way you or I, also British citizens, might move to Scotland or Wales (for instance).
 
AFCB Lost in Brum said:
So first you DIG OUT Priti Patel for "...attacking "north London metropolitan liberal elites" in her speech. Surely a classic anti Semitic trope - if Corbyn had said that."

Then, when I point out the realities of my actually having lived there, your new argument is that its definitely an anti-semetic trope BUT she probably didn't mean it cos she's tight with Israel... SO WHY THE **** BRING IT UP?!

You've absolutely tied yourself up in knots there mate!

Look, despite what you've read in the papers, my experience is based in the real world.

The 'north London metropolitan liberal elites' are not defined by race or religion, instead they're the people who are absolutely convinced they know better than everyone else despite the evidence... Sound familiar? ;):D:whistle:
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The problem with the Tories and this 'elite' and 'establishment' stuff they come up with is that it's complete lies - it's probably the one most annoying trick that they play.

OK, I'm sure that there some of this so called 'north London metropolitan liberal elite' that might seem like they know it all (they're people like that everywhere, right?) but for the Tories to come out and try to convince the working class that they care more for them than these so called elites do is complete rubbish, a con trick.

The Tories and their rich media buddies funding them 'are' the Elites. Like stuff in the Brexit debate, I'd have more respect for folk if they were more honest.
 
For anti - semitism 'thinking'..go Corbyn...he doesnt like Jews because many of them are successful and good with money and own businesses/ property.
He will not actively berate Jews of course....but neither will he berate those in his party that do. Very covert is our Jez!

I doubt if Patel is against the Jews in any way. However, she could have some venom toward other areas of society.

All these people( politicians) have a degree of nastiness toward some areas of society that do not share their viewpoints....its what they do...how they operate.

Those of us that see compromise as a way forward...we can sit back and interpret these individuals for what they are...venomous territorial snakes ...who cannot compromise during a time when a nation needs it badly.
 
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BillMcgarrycherry said:
For anti - semitism 'thinking'..go Corbyn...he doesnt like Jews because many of them are successful and good with money and own businesses/ property.
He will not actively berate Jews of course....but neither will he berate those in his party that do. Very covert is our Jez!

I doubt if Patel is against the Jews in any way. However, she could have some venom toward other areas of society.
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I have spoken to a Labour Party member about the anti-semitism accusations being levelled at Corbyn and others in the party to try and understand the positions.

He replied that Corbyn is against certain Israeli Government policies and their treatment of the Palestinians in particular. This is being portrayed in the press and by supporters of Israel as being anti-Jewish.
 
Corbyn could do himself some favours by concentrating on matters at home...adhering to the original concept of the Labour( work) Party..looking after ordinary British people, workers welfare etc.
That way im sure he could win many of us back to Labour.....associating himself with foreign problems has lost him votes..cost him a chance of PM ...weve known this for years now!
 
From today’s Echo. Dorset NHS

Regarding the supply of drugs and medical necessities, he said patients should: "Continue to order their medicines in the normal way. There is national guidance and advice to the public on issues such as continuity of supply for medicines on the NHS England website https://www.england.nhs.uk/eu-exit/medicines/."

NHS Executive Officers were contacted by the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care via letter regarding the supply of medication on August 23. The letter explains that:

“Robust plans are now in place to protect patient safety and healthcare provision.”

The letter also set out a scheme for “sufficient and seamless supply of medication” and stresses that:

“Hospitals, GPs and community pharmacies throughout the UK do not need to take steps to stockpile additional medicines”.

Further national guidance issued on September 23, includes assurances that arrangements have been made for a national six-week buffer stock, to support a business as normal supply chain, at the point the UK leaves the EU. "Provision of short shelf life medication will be sustained via dedicated NHS Express Freight Services," said the guidance.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/17941461.dorsets-nhs-going-deal-no-deal-brexit/
 
AFCB Lost in Brum said:
So first you DIG OUT Priti Patel for "...attacking "north London metropolitan liberal elites" in her speech. Surely a classic anti Semitic trope - if Corbyn had said that."

Then, when I point out the realities of my actually having lived there, your new argument is that its definitely an anti-semetic trope BUT she probably didn't mean it cos she's tight with Israel... SO WHY THE **** BRING IT UP?!

You've absolutely tied yourself up in knots there mate!

Look, despite what you've read in the papers, my experience is based in the real world.

The 'north London metropolitan liberal elites' are not defined by race or religion, instead they're the people who are absolutely convinced they know better than everyone else despite the evidence... Sound familiar? ;):D:whistle:
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It's not my argument I'm just saying what I've read. If you're not Jewish you living there is irrelevant - they are saying it's a trope and they would know. You wouldn't.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1179056108629049345

https://twitter.com/x/status/1179324753640865793
 
beds cherry said:
The problem with the Tories and this 'elite' and 'establishment' stuff they come up with is that it's complete lies - it's probably the one most annoying trick that they play.

OK, I'm sure that there some of this so called 'north London metropolitan liberal elite' that might seem like they know it all (they're people like that everywhere, right?) but for the Tories to come out and try to convince the working class that they care more for them than these so called elites do is complete rubbish, a con trick.

The Tories and their rich media buddies funding them 'are' the Elites. Like stuff in the Brexit debate, I'd have more respect for folk if they were more honest.
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Its the Trump/BoJo/DomCum line now to portray anyone who disagrees as 'the elite' or not of 'the people'. That includes journos.
 
At the very least...the Labour Party have to fight back against the Tories stealing their policies.....because if in any way this, what might turn out to be ' a more flexible type of Tory PM....then that could spell the death knell for Labour as we have known them.' ...'Tricks' are the domain of any Tory party....Labour really have to dig deep.......and im afraid having the likes of Di Abbot on the end of the spade...aint the way forward for them!
 
billythekid said:
From today’s Echo. Dorset NHS

Regarding the supply of drugs and medical necessities, he said patients should: "Continue to order their medicines in the normal way. There is national guidance and advice to the public on issues such as continuity of supply for medicines on the NHS England website https://www.england.nhs.uk/eu-exit/medicines/."

NHS Executive Officers were contacted by the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care via letter regarding the supply of medication on August 23. The letter explains that:

“Robust plans are now in place to protect patient safety and healthcare provision.”

The letter also set out a scheme for “sufficient and seamless supply of medication” and stresses that:

“Hospitals, GPs and community pharmacies throughout the UK do not need to take steps to stockpile additional medicines”.

Further national guidance issued on September 23, includes assurances that arrangements have been made for a national six-week buffer stock, to support a business as normal supply chain, at the point the UK leaves the EU. "Provision of short shelf life medication will be sustained via dedicated NHS Express Freight Services," said the guidance.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/17941461.dorsets-nhs-going-deal-no-deal-brexit/
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It hits home when you read things like that that we have done this to ourselves. I could understand such things if there was a war or a huge natural disaster, but this is something we have chosen to do. I appreciate they are saying all will fine, but just the fact they have to calm people's fears about a lack of medicines is so far removed from the promises and positives we were told pre June 2016.

Fingers crossed it all works and runs smoothly.
 
Questions flying around in the House.....many of them centered on how NI are to accept proposals regarding the border (s) in their province....im wondering how they can either accept or reject any proposals if the Stormont Government is Not Sitting...and that running parallel to the fact the DUP could not be bothered to attend todays sitting of Parliament or indeed as is usual ..no Sinn Fein members....what a shambles NI is...
..I believe in time it would beneficial to all ...for it to be part of a United Ireland. The province is basically a bloody nightmare as it is..so it is!
 
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