Non - Brexit

SlowDownDerek said:
What was the deal the country voted for?
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Exactly the country didn't vote for any deal , they simply voted to "Leave" meaning farewell , goodbye , severe ties then we negotiate trade deals, information sharing etc.

The scaremongering and Good Friday Agreement was not a consideration for many voters they just wanted to coin a phrase "Leave means Leave"
 
SilentWriting said:
Exactly the country didn't vote for any deal , they simply voted to "Leave" meaning farewell , goodbye , severe ties then we negotiate trade deals, information sharing etc.
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I don’t think you’ll have to look hard to find some leave voters who don’t share your understanding.
 
DJ said:
I don’t think you’ll have to look hard to find some leave voters who don’t share your understanding.
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Maybe so, but also I don't think you'll have to look far for many that would now leave with "No Deal"

On the other side of the coin, if posts are to be believed on website comments many remainers have had enough and just want some kind of exit. After 3 years of the EU messing around together with our politicians, they've seen just how far the EU will go to sabotage our exit, and have lost a lot of trust. How many remain were fence sitters and have now had enough.

Staunch Leave & Remain have dug their heals in and are far more convinced than they ever were, which is who make the most noise. Which is why we need a General Election so the rest can be heard & that's why Corbyn's running scared from the prospect, cause the Labour Leave areas have dropped him like a hot potato.
 
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SilentWriting said:
Maybe so, but also I don't think you'll have to look far for many that would now leave with "No Deal"
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Exactly, but the country didn't vote for no deal , they didn’t simply vote to "Leave" meaning farewell , goodbye , severe ties then we negotiate trade deals, information sharing etc.
 
So much for inserting the original ballot paper image :ROFLMAO:

But the choices were "Leave the European Union" & "Remain a Member of the European Union".
 
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How many remainers simply voted to remain to keep the status quo but after all the shenanigans including the EU may well have changed their minds.

I find it sick the joy Remainers get pointing out that several million of our older generation will have died, to be replaced by youngsters. Because according to them the Leave vote was made up of the elderly and the lower IQ's.

The same older generation that fought wars to stop the potential for foreign powers dictating what our country would do. Yet who at the beginning of all this had the loudest voice Merkel.
 
SilentWriting said:
How many remainers simply voted to remain to keep the status quo but after all the shenanigans including the EU may well have changed their minds.

I find it sick the joy Remainers get pointing out that several million of our older generation will have died, to be replaced by youngsters. Because according to them the Leave vote was made up of the elderly and the lower IQ's.

The same older generation that fought wars to stop the potential for foreign powers dictating what our country would do. Yet who at the beginning of all this had the loudest voice Merkel.
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Jesus Christ. Yeah...WWII that fight against extreme rightwing bigoted politicians. Every single person I spoke to who was alive during the war and felt the impact voted to remain. It was the baby boomers who had it good and couldnt see what cost the war had who voted leave. Churchill was a big advocate of EU collaboration.

"shenanigans" of the EU. LOL...they have literally stood there while the conservative party has torn itself apart over this. What are you accusing them off?

The mental gymnastics you have to go through to blame everyone from Churchill to Hitler for you voting leave is hilarious.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
Jesus Christ. Yeah...WWII that fight against extreme rightwing bigoted politicians. Every single person I spoke to who was alive during the war and felt the impact voted to remain. It was the baby boomers who had it good and couldnt see what cost the war had who voted leave. Churchill was a big advocate of EU collaboration.

"shenanigans" of the EU. LOL...they have literally stood there while the conservative party has torn itself apart over this. What are you accusing them off?

The mental gymnastics you have to go through to blame everyone from Churchill to Hitler for you voting leave is hilarious.
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Churchill died 25 years before Maastricht brought the EU as we know it into existence.
There is a difference between collaboration and friendship between geopolitically allied states, and technocratic federalism.
I am a big fan of the former, and not a fan of the latter. Think I am technically classed as one of those millennials :throw:
 
northstandmark said:
Churchill died 25 years before Maastricht brought the EU as we know it into existence.
There is a difference between collaboration and friendship between geopolitically allied states, and technocratic federalism.
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"Mutual aid in the economic field and joint military defence must inevitably be accompanied step by step with a parallel policy of closer political unity.”

“Britain is an integral part of Europe, and we mean to play our part in the revival of her prosperity and greatness. "
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
Jesus Christ. Yeah...WWII that fight against extreme rightwing bigoted politicians. Every single person I spoke to who was alive during the war and felt the impact voted to remain. It was the baby boomers who had it good and couldnt see what cost the war had who voted leave. Churchill was a big advocate of EU collaboration.

"shenanigans" of the EU. LOL...they have literally stood there while the conservative party has torn itself apart over this. What are you accusing them off?

The mental gymnastics you have to go through to blame everyone from Churchill to Hitler for you voting leave is hilarious.
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This would contradict the notion that a large amount of remainers seem to have on news outlet comments that seem to think Remain would have it in the bag on a 2nd referendum due to the reason I pointed out above.

Strange isn't it same area I presume yet every one of the war generation you've talked to voted "Remain" while I've had exactly the opposite experience, guess it's like a YOUGOV poll it depends where you hang out or who you hang out with.
 
Druss_the_Legend said:
"Mutual aid in the economic field and joint military defence must inevitably be accompanied step by step with a parallel policy of closer political unity.”

“Britain is an integral part of Europe, and we mean to play our part in the revival of her prosperity and greatness. "
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As Churchill urged a Franco-German partnership to lead his vision of a new Europe, he declared that Great Britain and the British Commonwealth, along with the US and USSR, should be “friends and sponsors” of the project. He did not talk of the UK becoming a member itself.
We are with Europe, but not of it,”
“We are linked but not comprised.”
https://www.ft.com/content/3d6bbabc-7122-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926

It's a bit ridiclous to second guess with any accuracy what a dead bloke may hypothetically think today.
 
SilentWriting said:
The same older generation that fought wars to stop the potential for foreign powers dictating what our country would do..
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Really?

I don't think people were thinking "well the horrific threat of me and everyone I care about being bombed, shot, gassed to death or incarcerated is all well and good but I'll be damned if I'll let Johnny Foreigner tell my government to tighten up food standards."

The EC was entered into voluntarily by this country via referendum when the population contained far more people who had directly lived through both world wars. Most realised the tremendous benefits in terms of peace and frictionless trade that we benefit from today.
 
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