Non - Pandemic

Sorry Roger said:
See my earlier post: “I haven’t seen this (data) in its original context, but I don’t think it is showing where infections occurred.

All I think it is showing is the results of asking people who have tested positive who they have been in close contact with (Defined as 15 minutes or more of close face to face contact). The results are that, if they give any names at all and many don’t, they are likely to be overwhelmingly people they live with, or who have visited their house, or whose houses they themselves have visited.

Of course most transmission of COVID is within households or other closed environments, like hospitals, care homes and prisons. However this graph doesn’t actually represent in what proportion.”

In other words, it doesn’t show how the virus spreads. It just shows the types of close contacts people can, or choose, to identify when asked. Those are two quite different things.
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Ah sorry, I was taking NSM at his word.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Just read about that in the Echo...

"strong chance of a positive decision to move to Tier 1” when the next review of the tier system happens on December 16.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18910832.amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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We had high number of cases in the BCP area, since lockdown they have gone down, 33 and 34 cases over the last two days.

It was reported that the medical/science experts have said Tier 1 wasn’t tough enough.

So surely it makes more sense if we stay in Tier 2 and keep the cases low, especially as we are also coming into the Winter flu season.
 
billythekid said:
We had high number of cases in the BCP area, since lockdown they have gone down, 33 and 34 cases over the last two days.

It was reported that the medical/science experts have said Tier 1 wasn’t tough enough.

So surely it makes more sense if we stay in Tier 2 and keep the cases low, especially as we are also coming into the Winter flu season.
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As the scientists have said.. The best way of restricting the virus would be to lock everyone in their houses indefinitely. There are other things at play though and we need to allow people to do as much as is safely possible.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
As the scientists have said.. The best way of restricting the virus would be to lock everyone in their houses indefinitely. There are other things at play though and we need to allow people to do as much as is safely possible.
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Tier 2 is about as close to a happy medium in that regard? Personally I’d have more things shut, but as we’ve said all along there’s no true right or wrong answer. Give with one hand, take away* with the other.

* pun intended
 
DJ said:
It clarifies a lot of things and makes perfect sense.

And yet our local MP’s are oblivious.
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Just like the recent comments from a couple of them.

One using the argument that Dorset has low rates like one of which will be one of three in Tier 1 one, when actually that MP represents a BCP area which has much higher rates.

Then another saying the local hospital beds are empty, when in response to come and see they are not empty, MP will be pleased to come when safe to do so.
 
DJ said:
It clarifies a lot of things and makes perfect sense.

And yet our local MP’s are oblivious.
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Clarifies ? Sorry but to me thats a lot of waffle and no facts and figures, of course people cross boundaries and i. I support our local MPs stance.
 
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redharry said:
Clarifies ? Sorry but to me thats a lot of waffle and no facts and figures,. I support our local MPs stance.
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Ellwood’s stance is that we should use the nightingale hospitals more... which basically drills down to...over stretching nhs workers across multiple sites and happy to have more people needing hospital admissions all to give more freedoms to the hospitality sector.

I’ll take the local medical advice over a trumped up MP who thought he was being over worked and underpaid for his £90k a year...
 
DJ said:
Ellwood’s stance is that we should use the nightingale hospitals more... which basically drills down to...over stretching nhs workers across multiple sites and happy to have more people needing hospital admissions all to give more freedoms to the hospitality sector.
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The Nightingale hospitals are an emergency back up if NHS totally swamped. They were hardly used in the first wave and not being used at the moment in the second wave. No point in stretching resources across more sites. However there is a debatable point about keeping all your COVID patients in one place to lower cross infection rates. The first wave grew so quick because non COVID patients were catching the disease while in hospital, similar to the COVID patients or non tested patients being sent to care homes.
 
redharry said:
The Nightingale hospitals are an emergency back up if NHS totally swamped. They were hardly used in the first wave and not being used at the moment in the second wave. No point in stretching resources across more sites. However there is a debatable point about keeping all your COVID patients in one place to lower cross infection rates. The first wave grew so quick because non COVID patients were catching the disease while in hospital, similar to the COVID patients or non tested patients being sent to care homes.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1333484975161831427

Where are the medical staff coming from for this plan that isn’t directly a requirement thankfully?

Or are we saying let’s have more hospitalised covid patients to make them necessary and then there’s less of a demand on local hospitals?

All so that some hospitality folk are happier?
 
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