Positives and negatives v Palace
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From where I was sitting Smudger was almost equally guilty. The number of overhit passes into their penalty area in the second half especially was not good.
SlowDownDerek
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Druss all over, he'll pick on a specific unimportant part of your point and go into battle over it. He's got it in his head that people have been suggesting Senesi is terrible and Kelly is the best player we've ever had because people said their pick Kelly out of the two of them based of pre-injury form.
The best bit is he thinks he's won all of these arguments.
SlowDownDerek
UTC Legend
Ironically Kelly hit some brilliant long balls in the first half that set up decent chances. Not normally his strength and just about the only good things he did.
red_house
UTC Legend
Love the humour druss
..have a good 'un, I'm out on the ale now clearly you've been on it already.Put it in the mixer
Reserves
It just didn't work having 2 left footed CBs on the pitch. I think a lot of the pattern was set early on when Senesi and Kelly were playing the ball back and forth to each other, Senesi in particular looked very uncomfortable playing it to the right early to get attacks going down that side. This painfully slow way of playing which usually ended up with Kelly firing the ball at Zemura (because he delayed the pass too long so had to hammer it), set the poor tone for me that swept through the rest of the team.
northstandmark
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The whole Kelly Senesi thing on here is like two drunks fighting in a pub car park.
When we're in a position that everything else is working OK and that is our biggest problem - fair enough.
When we're in a position that everything else is working OK and that is our biggest problem - fair enough.
Put it in the mixer
Reserves
It was a big contributor in my view.
Red_till_im_ded
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It certainly was. Senesi looked very uncomfortable on the right. To a point he couldn't pass to Smith and had to turn to his left everytime to pass back to Kelly who would look like passing to Zemuta before turning and passing back to Travers.
AFCBade
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Palace have made mugs of many sides as they are effective at stopping teams playing. Sadly afcb don’t have creativity needed without Tavernier playing. It’s where we need to strengthen in the side.also a defender that organise the team at set pieces!
I don’t believe it was a mistake to appoint O’Neill but it’s a results business. No doubt the virus has come at a bad time. Need a big response in the next 10 days,
I don’t believe it was a mistake to appoint O’Neill but it’s a results business. No doubt the virus has come at a bad time. Need a big response in the next 10 days,
RobTrent
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If ever a day called for a swashbuckling performance then today was it. Everything building up to the kick-off spoke of a new era.
And then came the football. We looked dire at the back and offered no attacking threat at all. Just passing it across the back line was pointless. The long balls were either overhit or misdirected. And when the crowd indulges in ironic "we've had a shot" chants you know something is wrong.
What started out as a Hollywood afternoon turned in to an Ealing comedy.
And then came the football. We looked dire at the back and offered no attacking threat at all. Just passing it across the back line was pointless. The long balls were either overhit or misdirected. And when the crowd indulges in ironic "we've had a shot" chants you know something is wrong.
What started out as a Hollywood afternoon turned in to an Ealing comedy.
Druss_the_Legend
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GON is better than GON? And I am mental?
Lets clear up my views as I know you read weird things into my comments and I was on my phone so maybe wasn't crystal clear for you...
I don't think that every manager of every league club there has ever been has by default been better than every fan could have been at managing a club. To suggest otherwise is simply crazy. Also, being a coach is, in my mind, a completely different job and needs different intelligence than to be a good coach. A coach will run through drills, work on fitness etc.. a manager chooses who plays, where they play, the formation of the team and the style of his team. Thats completely different to laying out cones and working on the FAs list of set drills. Footballers, generally should make good coaches. Although plenty of non pros have been great coaches as well.
Managers are different beasts and I don't need 300 games playing left wing in the Premier league to tell you that Billing doesn't play well there. Ive never played centre back for Man Utd, but switching your defensive formation 5 times in the first half against Southampton to finally fall back to the one used the 3 matches prior and which was successful, was wrong. I didnt then try that formation again away to Chelsea and switch i yet again during the first few minutes.
The TLDR is that I dont think ex players should somehow be held up on a pedestal simply because they played the game. They never picked the team or formation. Give yourself some credit, youve studied the subject for most of your life.
johnbob
Star Player
sorry they have just had 6 weeks off most of them and they still are playing shxt, get them in and sit them in a room and try and get them to answer this question. Can you see what is going wrong
positives are we lost, Man Utd will hammer us and if we are as 
as we have been in our last 3 against Burnley, then that will be 5 defeats in a row and we might reflect and respond as a club in a decisive way, beit in adding players or getting someone in with tactical knowledge and experience because that was shambolic tactically. We turned for about 15 minutes in the second half.
I disagree with the original post about Lewis Cook, he was our best player by a mile and to see him come off just added to the frustration. Jamal Lowe and Ryan Christie did nothing but give the ball away when they came on whereas JA and Cook were really having a go.
Kieffer Moore in our team is great but we have nobody in our team who can cross or take a set piece.
I didn't like how the crowd got on Kelly's back BUT I am please noise was made about our aimless/thoughtless passing.
86 minutes on the clock, 2-0 down, our entire team in our box defending.
Billing is not a left winger, he is a number 10
Lerma (my favourite player) needs a rest his for has dropped right off.
Rothwell looked promising when he came on
Moore could have a bigger impact coming off from the bench, arguably the same could be said about Dembele BUT we are so boring to watch I want to see him start every game because he is creative, attacking and exciting.
Just awful today. I'm getting fed up of watching us set up deep and defensive for a 0-0 and hope to nick a goal on the counter when we offer nothing going forwards. Worse than the Southampton game today, worse than the Chelsea game and from the beginning the players didn't look happy, no energy about the team apart from that 15 minute spell in the second half when the game was lost anyway.
as we have been in our last 3 against Burnley, then that will be 5 defeats in a row and we might reflect and respond as a club in a decisive way, beit in adding players or getting someone in with tactical knowledge and experience because that was shambolic tactically. We turned for about 15 minutes in the second half.I disagree with the original post about Lewis Cook, he was our best player by a mile and to see him come off just added to the frustration. Jamal Lowe and Ryan Christie did nothing but give the ball away when they came on whereas JA and Cook were really having a go.
Kieffer Moore in our team is great but we have nobody in our team who can cross or take a set piece.
I didn't like how the crowd got on Kelly's back BUT I am please noise was made about our aimless/thoughtless passing.
86 minutes on the clock, 2-0 down, our entire team in our box defending.
Billing is not a left winger, he is a number 10
Lerma (my favourite player) needs a rest his for has dropped right off.
Rothwell looked promising when he came on
Moore could have a bigger impact coming off from the bench, arguably the same could be said about Dembele BUT we are so boring to watch I want to see him start every game because he is creative, attacking and exciting.
Just awful
today. I'm getting fed up of watching us set up deep and defensive for a 0-0 and hope to nick a goal on the counter when we offer nothing going forwards. Worse than the Southampton game today, worse than the Chelsea game and from the beginning the players didn't look happy, no energy about the team apart from that 15 minute spell in the second half when the game was lost anyway.
king-bedwetter
First Team
Please dont tempt fate
That was tongue in cheek. Seems the more time they spend being coached, the more disorganised we look.
Neil Dawson
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Always an interesting debate this, I mean that genuinely because I can go either way on it myself. Yes he knows more about football than us in general, doesn’t mean that justifies what he does or anything we say is wrong.
The extreme example of this was when Roy Hodgson had Harry Kane taking corners as England slumped out the Euros. Every ex pro pundit couldn’t believe it, every learned journalist the same, every white van man in a pub, my mum saying the same thing. Very few people have the knowledge of football Roy Hodgson has, especially my mum. But the man in the pub was right and the expert Roy was wrong.
Neil Dawson
UTC Legend
Who is to blame for this in your opinion Rob?
