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red_house said:
Which happens all of the time on here, right or wrong. To threaten someone with libel is tedious. 'Hamas supporting mates' hardly the worlds worst insult to be honest.
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It’s a long way from the worst insult but it’s a lie. You said earlier that I was going to vote Labour despite my numerous posts saying that I was going to tactically vote Lib Dem. Insults are like water off a duck’s back to me. Lies are are the refuge of the weak.
 
afcdibby said:
Come on mate, you're as guilty as anyone on this.
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I don't think I've ever threatened anyone with libel dibbs. Al was allegedly threatened by someone at the club and a few on here were warned to be careful about a certain individual. There's a difference though they have to be identified - no one's identified stan.
 
red_house said:
Which happens all of the time on here, right or wrong. To threaten someone with libel is tedious. 'Hamas supporting mates' hardly the worlds worst insult to be honest.
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He can speak for himself of course but I thought he meant libelous as a figure of speech. He's obviously going to defend himself against the accusation that he supported the Hamas atrocities.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
So you think the word islamophobia is used to prevent any free speech type criticism of islam but you don't think the phrase anti-Semitism is used for exactly the same purpose in relation to criticism of Israel? I guess we know which side of the Nick Griffin/Tommy Robinson divide you fall on.
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If 'anti-semitism' is used for the same purpose of silencing it has been extremely ineffective. In any event, criticism of Israel or the Israeli government is not regarded as anti-semitism in the IHRA definition.

Islamophobia is a gradual but accelerating process of silencing or attempting to silence discussion, disagreement and criticism of Islam.

I have barely seen mention of Nick Griffin in years, apart from a couple of mentions on this thread, yet here you are flinging around the names TR and NG in order for what ?

Here are some links which may be of interest.
holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-governments-adoption-of-the-ihra-definition-of-antisemitism/
www.secularism.org.uk/news/2023/09/report-one-in-seven-councils-has-adopted-islamophobia-definition
bradford.moderngov.co.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=8794
policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Defining-Islamophobia.pdf

Most of these reports were written around 2018 when things were a lot less fraught than they are now.

From 2023
islamism.news/news/uk-islamists-using-local-governments-to-sneak-in-islamophobia-rules/

'When the APPG put forth its “Islamophobia” definition in 2018, Richard Walton, a former UK Counter terror chief, warned acceptance of the definition by government would, “seriously undermine the effectiveness of the UK’s counter-terrorism strategy (CONTEST) putting the country at greater risk from Islamist terrorism.” Civitas also warned against adopting the definition in a 2019 pamphlet that raised free speech concerns. While the definition was nevertheless adopted in 2019 by all major UK political parties – except the Conservatives – following intense lobbying by the Muslim Council of Britain and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND), two Islamist charities that seek to influence public policy in Great Britain, it never became national law.

Report author Hardeep Singh told Focus on Western Islamism (FWI) that concerns over free speech were “largely dismissed” and that local councils did not do enough research before adopting the contested definition rejected by central government. Two jurisdictions, both Labour-run – Wakefield and the London Borough of Waltham Forest – refer to the lobbying efforts of MEND in their minutes'.

Any opinions on Labour, should they be elected, bringing in, or being forced to bring in, the APPG definition as 'hate speech' law ?
 
giveittoted said:
If 'anti-semitism' is used for the same purpose of silencing it has been extremely ineffective. In any event, criticism of Israel or the Israeli government is not regarded as anti-semitism in the IHRA definition.

Islamophobia is a gradual but accelerating process of silencing or attempting to silence discussion, disagreement and criticism of Islam.

I have barely seen mention of Nick Griffin in years, apart from a couple of mentions on this thread, yet here you are flinging around the names TR and NG in order for what ?

Here are some links which may be of interest.
holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-governments-adoption-of-the-ihra-definition-of-antisemitism/
www.secularism.org.uk/news/2023/09/report-one-in-seven-councils-has-adopted-islamophobia-definition
bradford.moderngov.co.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=8794
policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Defining-Islamophobia.pdf

Most of these reports were written around 2018 when things were a lot less fraught than they are now.

From 2023
islamism.news/news/uk-islamists-using-local-governments-to-sneak-in-islamophobia-rules/

'When the APPG put forth its “Islamophobia” definition in 2018, Richard Walton, a former UK Counter terror chief, warned acceptance of the definition by government would, “seriously undermine the effectiveness of the UK’s counter-terrorism strategy (CONTEST) putting the country at greater risk from Islamist terrorism.” Civitas also warned against adopting the definition in a 2019 pamphlet that raised free speech concerns. While the definition was nevertheless adopted in 2019 by all major UK political parties – except the Conservatives – following intense lobbying by the Muslim Council of Britain and Muslim Engagement and Development (MEND), two Islamist charities that seek to influence public policy in Great Britain, it never became national law.

Report author Hardeep Singh told Focus on Western Islamism (FWI) that concerns over free speech were “largely dismissed” and that local councils did not do enough research before adopting the contested definition rejected by central government. Two jurisdictions, both Labour-run – Wakefield and the London Borough of Waltham Forest – refer to the lobbying efforts of MEND in their minutes'.

Any opinions on Labour, should they be elected, bringing in, or being forced to bring in, the APPG definition as 'hate speech' law ?
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It's the same thing whether you like it or not.

www.theguardian.com

UN urged to reject antisemitism definition over ‘misuse’ to shield Israel

More than 100 Israeli and international civil society groups warn IHRA definition could curb work of UN bodies
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
afcdibby said:
You’ve questioned some of my posts as libellous in the past.
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You were getting the heads up about someone who eventually resigned from the board due to online abuse. Al had allegedly been threatened with libel by someone else at the club at the same time.
 
red_house said:
You were getting the heads up about someone who eventually resigned from the board due to online abuse. Al had allegedly been threatened with libel by someone else at the club at the same time.
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Heads up??

Come on mate, I’ve always been well ahead of you on that side of things.

I appreciate I’m a gobshite on a lot of things, but that connection I’ve always been very coy about.
 
afcdibby said:
Heads up??

Come on mate, I’ve always been well ahead of you on that side of things.

I appreciate I’m a gobshite on a lot of things, but that connection I’ve always been very coy about.
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I dunno perhaps you knew all along he wouldn't threaten you with libel, should have said back in the day mate. It was nothing more than a friendly bit of advice bearing in mind what was happening back then.
 
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Hamas - killing....civilians...children.

Netanyahu's Israel - killing....civilians. .children.

What's the difference......None...both Killing.

Iran ...stoking the fire.

USA....stoking the fire.

What's the difference...None...both stoking the fire.

ALL ...Guilty

No one on a British Political Party OR a bloody Football Forum can change any of that !
 
red_house said:
I dunno perhaps you knew along he wouldn't threaten you with libel, should have said back in the day mate. It was nothing more than a friendly bit of advice bearing in mind what was happening at the time.
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He would have never protected me. Our first connection was non existent . That guy is all about him. Just look at it without the PC bias.
 
New Old Cherry said:
Hamas - killing....civilians...children.

Netanyahu's Israel - killing....civilians. .children.

What's the difference......None...both Killing.

Iran ...stoking the fire.

USA....stoking the fire.

What's the difference...None...both stoking the fire.

ALL ...Guilty

No one on a British Political Party OR a bloody Football Forum can change any of that !
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Hamas are the guilty party here, none of this would’ve happened without them
 
stanthevan said:
It’s a long way from the worst insult but it’s a lie. You said earlier that I was going to vote Labour despite my numerous posts saying that I was going to tactically vote Lib Dem. Insults are like water off a duck’s back to me. Lies are are the refuge of the weak.
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So is virtue signaling.

Do you genuinely lose sleep over what's happening there?

Didn't think so.
 
Bishop said:
Hamas care less for the West Bank than they do for Gaza. They hate the Jews and want them destroyed. The people are their shield and they use them
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And Israel refuses to accept a two state solution insiting that Palestine be part of their country.
 
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