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Is this what was really meant by New Labour ?

Maybe it is the "adult" version of Lord of the Flies ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/labour-rebels-plan-to-elect-own-leader-and-create-alternative-gr/

I'm beginning to wonder which side is more deluded and insane than the other - it's a close call.

Good luck with the court case :thumbsup:
 
They're just a bunch of quislings. They'd be better off joining the Tories. That's where their treasonous hearts lie.
 
Personally I don't like dogmatism and political labels as life is not often black or white and most opinions and philosophies have something to offer - yet none have all the answers. However I am all in favour of Jeremy Corbyn continuing on - as socialist viewpoints have not been given a proper airing for the last twenty years and Parliament needs conflicting ideas and rigorous debate to be effective. There has not been any serious debate on social values in Parliament for a very long time.
 
New labour was about being elected by out torying the conservatives, good luck to those heading for sdp ii, perhaps clegg will resume his political career to lead them.

All a bit of a side show to the main event of article 50 and its impact on public services and private sector job security as we move towards a better and fairer britain for all.
 
Labour always been an uneasy marriage of Middle Class London liberals that policy set and swathes of post Industrial working class towns and cities that don't. Tories an uneasy marriage of the privileged one nation centrist pro-Europeans and the new upwardly mobile working class anti Europeans. Neither party ever has it easy controlling their wider left and right.

If ever there was a time for a third centrist party to cash in.....it's now.
 
Neil Dawson - 30/7/2016 23:34

Labour always been an uneasy marriage of Middle Class London liberals that policy set and swathes of post Industrial working class towns and cities that don't. Tories an uneasy marriage of the privileged one nation centrist pro-Europeans and the new upwardly mobile working class anti Europeans. Neither party ever has it easy controlling their wider left and right.

If ever there was a time for a third centrist party to cash in.....it's now.
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It definitely feels like it's time for a third party to come in and actually convert this weakness in the two main parties into seats.

Problem is that
1. There's loads of numpties who vote the same regardless of manifesto, national interest or personal interest.
2. The voting system is rigged in favour of the status quo.
3. The English have to rally behind whoever looks strongest to avoid an SNP coalition which would be catastrophic for the country.
 
The two Labour factions splitting the party is the natural conclusion to this nonsense.

As an outsider I think the New Labour MP's behaviour is disgraceful. If they don't like the way the party members vote they should leave the party.

That said, if Corbyn just laid out a clear series of policies he could test that with the public. I wouldn't use media reaction to gauge any responses; let's face it, even the leftie press has got it in for him.

How voters might observe all of this nasty business is anyone's guess - not that that will stop pollsters from having a(nother bad) go!


 
Amuses me that for years and years Labour (and others) have been rubbing their hands with glee at how the EU question will destroy the Tory party, causing them to split and be consigned to the political wilderness. It could still happen of course. But it is now Labour who are completely disintegrating.
Theresa May must be contemplating a snap election.
 
RobTrent - 31/7/2016 09:47

Amuses or pleases?
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Amuses rather than pleases Rob on 2 counts,

1. All countries need a strong, credible opposition. If the Tories hold a snap election they will have a huge majority and no one to hold them accountable. (that's actually not that amusing, rather concerning.

2. It's the irony of Labour of assuming the EU driven implosion of the Tories, instead of sorting their own backyard out.
 
When Jeremy Corbyn gets up to speak in the House of Commons he seems to be jeered or laughed at by other members of the chamber.

He never seems to get ruffled and calmly carries on with his speech, but with the split in his party could he ever stand up in the House as the Prime Minister?
 
Harry, the Labour implosion was inevitable once they changed to way they voted for a leader.
The no confidence vote was just waiting for a cause from day one of his election.

There's a certain irony that by making electing a leader more "democratic" they have made themselves unelectable and the Tories can do pretty much what they want without being called to account.




 
Fancy allowing people to have a vote in elections? As Rush might say "those who know whats best for us, might rise and save us from ourselves".
 
RobTrent - 31/7/2016 13:19

Fancy allowing people to have a vote in elections? As Rush might say "those who know whats best for us, might rise and save us from ourselves".
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Allowing pretty much anybody in the country, if they had 3 quid, to vote for the leader of the PLP was insane.

Would you want the next AFCB manager to be decided by anybody who has purchased a ticket, thus has their name on the AFCB database?

Me, I'd want people involved in the running of the club to decide rather than have Boaty McBoatface taking training.






 
Ken Baileys Ghost - 31/7/2016 15:13



Me, I'd want people involved in the running of the club to decide rather than have Boaty McBoatface taking training.


The wise man of the Purbeck sums up Corbyn perfectly .
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Corbyn is about policy not performance as a celebrity. Which of his policies do people oppose ?

Interesting the concern for a strong opposition from those who would never vote for a socialist government.
 
What policies Jim? Not aware that he's ever put any coherent policy together into the public domain.

Nationalise railways and the steel industry I know he's keen on that. Although how he'd achieve it is not clear. Otherwise, any specifics?
 
No opposition party ever puts concrete policies across these days because if they are good the government will steal them and if they are bad the party won't gain anything.

Example:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/opposition-parties-rage-at-pickpocketing-chancellor-1927040.html


 
I would be rather surprised if May and her government starting copying socialist policies.

But I take the point and agree that outside of election time oppositions don't usually produce many detailed policies.

Just thought it was a strange comment for Jim to make, one without much foundation in reality.
 
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