Richard Hughes

Neil Dawson said:
And I don’t think every deal has been a failure. Iraola, Tavs, Zab, are outstanding signings. Some people think he has got the balance of the 300m he’s spent right and some people don’t.

It’s not that big a deal and he’s gone anyway. People that think I’m repetitive keep naming me in threads… then when I reply I’m the repetitive one. The point I was making was tackle them as well if you want it to die down ;)
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Keep it t rollin' chief. Makes for good reading/entertainment (y)
 
I know it’s only media talk and things might not work out.
I think these football journalists might be a bit more clued up than an occasional guest on YouTube.
But at the moment Neil’s hatred and jealousy of Hughes is making him look daft and that’s polite.
Just to add for my new mate Dragon, this is a snipe from the side.
 
borisatha said:
I know it’s only media talk and things might not work out.
I think these football journalists might be a bit more clued up than an occasional guest on YouTube.
But at the moment Neil’s hatred and jealousy of Hughes is making him look daft and that’s polite.
Just to add for my new mate Dragon, this is a snipe from the side.
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Just for clarity. I don’t hate him, or indeed anyone. I’m not jealous of him or indeed anyone. There’s no need to personalise or emotionally charge a football view.

I think we could have spent our money better. I know that’s not the general consensus on here and im good with that. People have different views!
 
Neil Dawson said:
Just for clarity. I don’t hate him, or indeed anyone. I’m not jealous of him or indeed anyone. There’s no need to personalise or emotionally charge a football view.

I think we could have spent our money better. I know that’s not the general consensus on here and im good with that. People have different views!
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Neil, when we meet you seemed a very level headed and nice bloke.
I don’t think I’m personalising or emotionally charging your view. You do it yourself over what must be hundreds of posts. As you said it’s been pointed out to you on many occasions, you stick to your views. So in some ways good on you. But you seem blinkered at best and bitter and jealous at worst.
 
borisatha said:
Neil, when we meet you seemed a very level headed and nice bloke.
I don’t think I’m personalising or emotionally charging your view. You do it yourself over what must be hundreds of posts. As you said it’s been pointed out to you on many occasions, you stick to your views. So in some ways good on you. But you seem blinkered at best and bitter and jealous at worst.
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You were a top bloke to chat to, as everyone I’ve met on here is to be fair. I hope, having met me, you realise I wouldn’t hate or be jealous of anyone and trust me when I tell you!

I can’t help what I think, as probably nobody can. I think we could have spent our money better and more wisely.

See you on Sat maybe. Another Shiraz Boris?
 
Neil Dawson said:
You were a top bloke to chat to, as everyone I’ve met on here is to be fair. I hope, having met me, you realise I wouldn’t hate or be jealous of anyone and trust me when I tell you!

I can’t help what I think, as probably nobody can. I think we could have spent our money better and more wisely.

See you on Sat maybe. Another Shiraz Boris?
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Shiraz.
I wish bill could get some if his plonk in the concourse.
It’s a cunning plan Neil, 2 or 3 pints before going in to the ground then a glass of plonk followed by a visit to the gents. Gets an old git like me through to half time.
See you Saturday maybe. (y)
 
I've always enjoyed reading posts from Neil Dawson - I don't always agree but always well reasoned.

It seems to me that when Eddie became disillusioned, it was because Club management were constraining him too much, which presumably must have included Hughes, whereas now Hughes is being feted as a visionary by the national press.

I can't help but feel it's a quiet week for football news, given the international break and it fills print columns to look at the managerial team that Liverpool are putting together, given the level of their support and because there is so much change there. As one Liverpool fan commented on the BBC article, the 'proof will be in the pudding' and that will help in deciding whether Neil's skepticism was merited.

I see the article mentions we are to also lose scouting coordinator Craig McKee and chief scout Mark Burchill. Is that likely to be a blow? Or do we simply go recruiting for these roles from successful lower league teams and internationally?
 
DJCouchman said:
I see the article mentions we are to also lose scouting coordinator Craig McKee and chief scout Mark Burchill. Is that likely to be a blow? Or do we simply go recruiting for these roles from successful lower league teams and internationally?
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Excellent post. The final paragraph contains my worry too. Our track history when we need to make a major appointment since Eddie left is limited. Three times we went internally for a manager and now we’ve done it again for a DOF. I like Franno and hope he is good but there’s a world out there of people who haven’t played for us who do this job well and a knock on network of scouts.

We have closed that door with a safe appointment.’the standard over promoted Blake play.
 
Proof will be in the pudding.

Francis can only be judged on his targets, and Hughes on his ability to spend mega bucks that Liverpool have.

Hughes will be able to buy a better calibre of player because Livepool are a mega rich club.

It'll take some time, perhaps several seasons to see how things pan out.

When Hughes signs Giovanni Constantino the Third at 18 years old from some Brazilian outfit for 60 million, and he turns out to be a revelation, the usual suspects will laud Hughes ability in his new role.

The pull of Liverpool, coupled with their untold riches may mean Hughes is shopping in a more affluent shop window, it doesn't really prove anything about his ability to sign unearthed talent.

He just has a bigger budget.
 
Odd. When Eddie Howe was here the complaints were that he surrounded himself by yes men and didn’t delegate much to anyone else. Now he became disillusioned because he was constrained? I just can’t keep up.

Personally, my recollection was that if Howe was disillusioned with anything, it was his players lack of professional pride and eying moves away.

Meanwhile, when he left that’s when Hughes really stepped “up” as everyone since has been a head coach rather than manager and thus Hughes’ influence became greater.
 
DJ said:
Odd. When Eddie Howe was here the complaints were that he surrounded himself by yes men and didn’t delegate much to anyone else. Now he became disillusioned because he was constrained? I just can’t keep up.

Personally, my recollection was that if Howe was disillusioned with anything, it was his players lack of professional pride and eying moves away.

Meanwhile, when he left that’s when Hughes really stepped “up” as everyone since has been a head coach rather than manager and thus Hughes’ influence became greater.
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I don’t recall everyone thinking he was a great appointment the first time round. A gamble you could say, with restricted finances.
 
dragonm8 said:
Proof will be in the pudding.

Francis can only be judged on his targets, and Hughes on his ability to spend mega bucks that Liverpool have.

Hughes will be able to buy a better calibre of player because Livepool are a mega rich club.

It'll take some time, perhaps several seasons to see how things pan out.

When Hughes signs Giovanni Constantino the Third at 18 years old from some Brazilian outfit for 60 million, and he turns out to be a revelation, the usual suspects will laud Hughes ability in his new role.

The pull of Liverpool, coupled with their untold riches may mean Hughes is shopping in a more affluent shop window, it doesn't really prove anything about his ability to sign unearthed talent.

He just has a bigger budget.
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I think players he signed for us proves he has somewhat of a decent eye for talent?

My acquintance that I bumped into last November/December who's mates with Howe, knows Hughes etc, said Hughes definitely leaving.

As a I said before, he also mentioned he thinks we'll miss him and that Hughes had quite difficult job here, in that him and his team identified and drew up somewhat realistic shortlist of players (as in not saying/recommending we put in bid for players clearly out of reach...), but difficult getting many deals over the line due to stature, spending power compared to other clubs operating in similar market.

Not quite the same, but its a little like when people used to say managers like Mourinho (back in his prime) had it easy as only managed the best clubs, and how he'd stuggle at Rochdale. Generally if you're very good at what you do in football, you'll get noticed and recruited by bigger and better clubs.

Football is the ultimate meritocracy imo, despite noise about it being a closed shop, job for boys etc etc.
 
DJCouchman said:
I've always enjoyed reading posts from Neil Dawson - I don't always agree but always well reasoned.

It seems to me that when Eddie became disillusioned, it was because Club management were constraining him too much, which presumably must have included Hughes, whereas now Hughes is being feted as a visionary by the national press.

I can't help but feel it's a quiet week for football news, given the international break and it fills print columns to look at the managerial team that Liverpool are putting together, given the level of their support and because there is so much change there. As one Liverpool fan commented on the BBC article, the 'proof will be in the pudding' and that will help in deciding whether Neil's skepticism was merited.

I see the article mentions we are to also lose scouting coordinator Craig McKee and chief scout Mark Burchill. Is that likely to be a blow? Or do we simply go recruiting for these roles from successful lower league teams and internationally?
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In what way did club management constrain Howe? You mean after relegation when they wanted to restructure the club?
 
dragonm8 said:
Proof will be in the pudding.

Francis can only be judged on his targets, and Hughes on his ability to spend mega bucks that Liverpool have.

Hughes will be able to buy a better calibre of player because Livepool are a mega rich club.

It'll take some time, perhaps several seasons to see how things pan out.

When Hughes signs Giovanni Constantino the Third at 18 years old from some Brazilian outfit for 60 million, and he turns out to be a revelation, the usual suspects will laud Hughes ability in his new role.

The pull of Liverpool, coupled with their untold riches may mean Hughes is shopping in a more affluent shop window, it doesn't really prove anything about his ability to sign unearthed talent.

He just has a bigger budget.
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People don't really laud Hughes, they generally just point out that he can't possibly be bad enough to justify Neil's years long hate campaign. He did ok, we as a club went from strength to strength with him in the role and he operated under a number of different budgets and objectives successfully. Then he went to Liverpool. Clearly he wasn't that bad.
 
Let's wait and see.

It's a moot point at the moment.


Good luck to him, he may well succeed at Liverpool, he may not.

At this point it's conjecture.
 
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