Jefferson Lerma

Neil Dawson said:
I still think we’d be a better side with Lerma here and Iraola would have got a lot out of him.
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I completely agree. If Jeff was still here he would be an integral part of our team. He's played for 7 (?) different managers since he's been in England and to my knowledge every single one of them has selected him every time he has been available.
 
LewSwimmin said:
I completely agree. If Jeff was still here he would be an integral part of our team. He's played for 7 (?) different managers since he's been in England and to my knowledge every single one of them has selected him every time he has been available.
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And we selected him as player of the year showing what the majority of our fans think. There’s a tiny minority though that strangely don’t accept how outstanding he was for us. Iraola would have made him even more of a beast of a player and I’d take him in our squad over Adams any day of the week.
 
Neil Dawson said:
And we selected him as player of the year showing what the majority of our fans think. There’s a tiny minority though that strangely don’t accept how outstanding he was for us. Iraola would have made him even more of a beast of a player and I’d take him in our squad over Adams any day of the week.
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It was widely regarded as a 'pity' vote, of sorts. A sham basically, rather than a reflection of him being our best player last season.

Good player for sure, but you're going too far of his worth imo, equally as over the top as those claiming he's extremely limited imo.

We know why you're so determined to sing his praises to such extremes though ;)
 
MB1980 said:
It was widely regarded as a 'pity' vote, of sorts. A sham basically, rather than a reflection of him being our best player last season.

Good player for sure, but you're going too far of his worth imo, equally as over the top as those claiming he's extremely limited imo.

We know why you're so determined to sing his praises to such extremes though ;)
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I don’t think the majority of people voted out of pity, or how you can know that. A really strange claim.
 
Neil Dawson said:
He moved for a lot more cash. I’d like to see your definition of ‘struggles’ he’s started 25 more games this season than Adams.

Look what Iraola did with Solanke and Christie, I think he would have got wonders out of Lerma especially with a common language.
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Genuine question Neil, if Lerma is such an outstanding player then why did he end up at Palace? Surely on a free transfer the top clubs would have been queuing up, as they seemingly are for Kelly. Or could they not compete with the financial might of Pace? Our fan base seem to rate him a lot more highly than the scouts who watched him during his time for us.
 
Neil Dawson said:
And we selected him as player of the year showing what the majority of our fans think. There’s a tiny minority though that strangely don’t accept how outstanding he was for us. Iraola would have made him even more of a beast of a player and I’d take him in our squad over Adams any day of the week.
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I've always been a bit surprised, and disappointed for Jeff, that none of the top European clubs have come in for him as I feel he would really excel and make any team better when surrounded by some of the best players in the world where his outstanding attributes would complement their brilliant skills.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Nope. I didn't say anything about Adams, I said we aren't missing Lerma and don't have a Lerma shaped hole in our squad. We don't.

Interesting how our best ever PL seasons didn't involve Jeff Lerma and now he's gone to Palace they are crap. He was a great player for us but he never achieved anything like the levels that Lewis Cook has shown this season. Never part of a cohesive midfield unit at this level for us, which is exactly what we had before we signed him and is what we've got now.
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This is such a good point. In fact, our decline pretty much coincided with his signing. I feel sorry for Lewis Cook. He’s a better player than Lerma but because he doesn’t charge around like a mad man and look to s*it house the opposition at every opportunity he rarely receives any praise.

Although fans love to see it, the reality is that you don’t want your defensive midfielder to be charging around like a mad man. You want him to be disciplined in his positioning and not leave gaping holes in the centre of the park. You also want him to have the mental attributes to appreciate the spaces that need to be covered and the ability to read the game well enough to cover them. Lerma had fantastic physical attributes and most fans value this over anything else because they are far more obvious and easy to spot than the mental attributes that all of the top clubs will be looking out for. To go higher you need to be the complete package, merge Lerma and Cook’s best attributes and you have a top six level midfielder. Jeff just lacks certain very important elements to play any higher.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Lol Neil's dodgy selective logic runs through this post like a stick of rock. Why is it that you only ever pull out these half-baked selective stats to slag the club off? You did if for Lys Mousett to prove he was better than Solanke after he'd left too.

Reading your post anyone would think that Adams hadn't played in a major European league, or starred in the latter stages of the Champions League (that you apparently admit is well beyond Lerma), or capitaned a top ten international side.

I was one of Lerma's biggest fans - absolutely loved the guy.... But as I've said and even you have not been able to disagree with - we haven't missed him.
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A completely flawed logic.

Just because Crystal Palace signed Lerma, and they are now below us does not validate your bullshit.

Our team, AFCB have done better this season than last.

We would however have been better had we kept Lerma.


Adam's is a write off this season....Lerma would have been better, no argument.

The Cook is better than Lerma argument falls flat at this stage.

Lerma was a defensive midfielder 127 PL appearances 9 PL goals.


Lewis Cook a defensive PL mifielder 130 appearances 0 PL goals

You could count on one hand how many goals Lerma cost us over 130 games.

Every other week you can see why Cook has cost us goals and games.

Lerma is way better than Cook.

He's more robust, he makes fewer errors, he provides more assists, and he scores more goals.

He doesn't fall over as much, he doesn't slip over, he doesn't get dispossessed as often, and he can shoot on target.

Lerma scored 2 goals in one PL game.

Cook hasn't ever scored a single goal.

Lerma is a far superior player to L Cook.

One plays regular International football....the other doesn't.

Fanboys, please respond.
 
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dragonm8 said:
A completely flawed logic.

Just because Crystal Palace signed Lerma, and they are now below us does not validate your bullshit.

Our team, AFCB have done better this season than last.

We would however have been better had we kept Lerma.


Adam's is a write off this season....Lerma would have been better, no argument.

The Cook is better than Lerma argument falls flat at this stage.

Lerma was a defensive midfielder 127 PL appearances 9 PL goals.


Lewis Cook a defensive PL mifielder 130 appearances 0 PL goals

You could count on one hand how many goals Lerma cost us over 130 games.

Every other week you can see why Cook has cost us goals and games.

Lerma is way better than Cook.

He's more robust, he makes fewer errors, he provides more assists, and he scores more goals.

He doesn't fall over as much, he doesn't slip over, he doesn't get dispossessed as often, and he can shoot on target.

Lerma scored 2 goals in one PL game.

Cook hasn't ever scored a single goal.

Lerma is a far superior player to L Cook.

One plays regular International football....the other doesn't.

Fanboys, please respond.
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I believe Cook has scored!
 
dragonm8 said:
A completely flawed logic.

Just because Crystal Palace signed Lerma, and they are now below us does not validate your bullshit.

Our team, AFCB have done better this season than last.

We would however have been better had we kept Lerma.


Adam's is a write off this season....Lerma would have been better, no argument.

The Cook is better than Lerma argument falls flat at this stage.

Lerma was a defensive midfielder 127 PL appearances 9 PL goals.


Lewis Cook a defensive PL mifielder 130 appearances 0 PL goals

You could count on one hand how many goals Lerma cost us over 130 games.

Every other week you can see why Cook has cost us goals and games.

Lerma is way better than Cook.

He's more robust, he makes fewer errors, he provides more assists, and he scores more goals.

He doesn't fall over as much, he doesn't slip over, he doesn't get dispossessed as often, and he can shoot on target.

Lerma scored 2 goals in one PL game.

Cook hasn't ever scored a single goal.

Lerma is a far superior player to L Cook.

One plays regular International football....the other doesn't.

Fanboys, please respond.
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A bit unfair on Cook this - you have included 6 points about shooting or scoring.

So long as the team are scoring, it doesn't matter who gets them - look at Grealish last week, set up every goal in the same game but didn't get a single assist as he didn't play the final ball to the goalscorer.

I don't understand why we, as fans, need to have this binary look on the game that players are either great or terrible, its really not that simple, let alone getting into form which affects performances over a period of time.

My take on Lerma is more balanced, I think he was a great player for us and I like him a lot, however, for a player that cost over £25 million that long ago for us, I'm not sure he ever really grabbed a game by the scruff of its neck and dominated it, certainly not as much as his price tag would have expected to do (think Arter against Utd level of performance).

Cook, is providing the engine for us currently and playing the best football of his career. Just because he doesn't dive into tackles like Lerma which the crowd love to see, doesn't mean he is any less valued.


In a nutshell I think both are good players and both sides have valid points but you are arguing over minute details.
 
richnrg said:
FFS!
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Lewis Cook has fanboys, we get that.

He has cost us more goals than he's been involved in.

Lerma has 9 PL goals, and can be accountable for 2 or 3 net losses.

Cook has 0 goals, and can be directly attributable for at least 10 goals over the last 3 seasons.

Lerma PLUS 6.

Lewis Cook MINUS 10.
 
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