Support the players no matter what tomorrow

Red Sky said:
Agree with the sentiment but it's not about players not wanting to play football. It's about them wanting away to a club whose own fans might not abuse them. Most have been at clubs previously where they have not been abused. Case in point is Kelly who has all the qualities to be a top class defender but has definitely been affected by the abuse received from the crowd/ social media. Then as if to prove a point dragonnotyourm8 comes on to give him more unwarranted stick.

It's not just them it affects, it's their families too.

Why would you be ar$ed if you could do the same job for similar money at a club whose fans at least had a neutral attitude towards you?
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If Kelly was worried about abuse from 20 Bounemouth fans, perhaps a move to Newcastle may not be for him.

He'll have 3000 Geordies on his back if he plays badly in Newcastle.

Harden up, and deal with it.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
It's all very well saying he should just deal with it but the point is he's going to deal with it by running his contract down and buggering off somewhere else. All of those booers should pat themselves on the back for a job well done. The same sort of bellends that give your daughter grief by the sounds of it.
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There isn’t a club where it doesn’t happen though and it happens less here. He’s well versed in the game to know that.

If he ends up at Newcastle he will ironically replace Dan Burn who has had horrific treatment from the fans this season despite being a geordie and a fan.

So basically it isn’t criticising fans he falls out with, just ones that criticise him….
 
Red Sky said:
Agree with the sentiment but it's not about players not wanting to play football. It's about them wanting away to a club whose own fans might not abuse them. Most have been at clubs previously where they have not been abused. Case in point is Kelly who has all the qualities to be a top class defender but has definitely been affected by the abuse received from the crowd/ social media. Then as if to prove a point dragonnotyourm8 comes on to give him more unwarranted stick.

It's not just them it affects, it's their families too.

Why would you be ar$ed if you could do the same job for similar money at a club whose fans at least had a neutral attitude towards you?
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Because there isn’t a club where it doesn’t happen and it happens here less.
 
Neil Dawson said:
There isn’t a club where it doesn’t happen though and it happens less here. He’s well versed in the game to know that.

If he ends up at Newcastle he will ironically replace Dan Burn who has had horrific treatment from the fans this season despite being a geordie and a fan.

So basically it isn’t criticising fans he falls out with, just ones that criticise him….
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Not all players are singles out for abuse though, in fact the vast majority aren't, so he's most likely not going to be abused at Newcastle.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
It's all very well saying he should just deal with it but the point is he's going to deal with it by running his contract down and buggering off somewhere else. All of those booers should pat themselves on the back for a job well done. The same sort of bellends that give your daughter grief by the sounds of it.
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Does anyone actually believe that this is the reason that Kelly is leaving though? He wants to move on because he has an opportunity to compete higher up the table and to be paid more money.

Billing has received far more vitriol from sections of our supporter base and chose to sign on, Lerma was universally adored even when he was picking up needless suspensions and costing the team, he chose to leave.

I think that far too much weight is being given to this idea that Kelly is leaving due to the way that he’s been treated by our supporters. And as has been said, if it has played a part (I really don’t believe that it has) then he’s going to be in for a very rude awakening if he drops some of the clangers for his new club that he has for us. If he can’t handle a few boos from a very very small minority in a 10k seater stadium then not sure how the poor guy will cope with 50k Geordies baying for his blood, we’ve seen first hand how their fans react when things aren’t going their way and their really is no comparison.

I feel as though him leaving is being used as an excuse for some to voice their disdain towards a very small minority of idiots over an incident that happened over a year ago.

Bottom line. If we came in and offered him the best financial deal then he would probably stay, the fact that we can’t is why he won’t. It’s not as deep as many are trying to make out.
 
Waz afcb said:
Does anyone actually believe that this is the reason that Kelly is leaving though? He wants to move on because he has an opportunity to compete higher up the table and to be paid more money.

Billing has received far more vitriol from sections of our supporter base and chose to sign on, Lerma was universally adored even when he was picking up needless suspensions and costing the team, he chose to leave.

I think that far too much weight is being given to this idea that Kelly is leaving due to the way that he’s been treated by our supporters. And as has been said, if it has played a part (I really don’t believe that it has) then he’s going to be in for a very rude awakening if he drops some of the clangers for his new club that he has for us. If he can’t handle a few boos from a very very small minority in a 10k seater stadium then not sure how the poor guy will cope with 50k Geordies baying for his blood, we’ve seen first hand how their fans react when things aren’t going their way and their really is no comparison.

I feel as though him leaving is being used as an excuse for some to voice their disdain towards a very small minority of idiots over an incident that happened over a year ago.

Bottom line. If we came in and offered him the best financial deal then he would probably stay, the fact that we can’t is why he won’t. It’s not as deep as many are trying to make out.
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You alright mate?
 
Waz afcb said:
Does anyone actually believe that this is the reason that Kelly is leaving though? He wants to move on because he has an opportunity to compete higher up the table and to be paid more money.

Billing has received far more vitriol from sections of our supporter base and chose to sign on, Lerma was universally adored even when he was picking up needless suspensions and costing the team, he chose to leave.

I think that far too much weight is being given to this idea that Kelly is leaving due to the way that he’s been treated by our supporters. And as has been said, if it has played a part (I really don’t believe that it has) then he’s going to be in for a very rude awakening if he drops some of the clangers for his new club that he has for us. If he can’t handle a few boos from a very very small minority in a 10k seater stadium then not sure how the poor guy will cope with 50k Geordies baying for his blood, we’ve seen first hand how their fans react when things aren’t going their way and their really is no comparison.

I feel as though him leaving is being used as an excuse for some to voice their disdain towards a very small minority of idiots over an incident that happened over a year ago.

Bottom line. If we came in and offered him the best financial deal then he would probably stay, the fact that we can’t is why he won’t. It’s not as deep as many are trying to make out.
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This was Blake's response when asked about players being singled out for abuse. We'll never know but we do know that Billing and Smith have publicly said they think the abuse aimed at Kelly was bad. I don't recall anyone recently getting the reaction Kelly got in that Burnley cup game and he's not entertained the idea of a new contract since then. It it looks like an elephant...

NB agreed that there have been multiple players receiving such abuse, that certain players have acknowledged it privately and have wanted to leave as a result. NB asked for supporters to try to get behind the players as much as possible as it does have an impact, especially when securing contract extensions, or when trying to attract players within what is a small world of football. NB stated that abuse is never going to help the team on the pitch, that it can only make things worse.
 
Dave from Tesco might be a bit sensitive too, he's been bullied by 5 customers..

But Sainsburys aren't going to offer him 5 million pounds if he runs his contract in the deli department down.

Dave from Tesco may well get abuse at Sainsburys.

Does Dave stay at Tesco now hes been 'bullied' or does Dave move to Sainsburys where he may also be 'bullied'

Dave is using bullying as an excuse, as Sainsburys is not immune to bullying
 
Waz afcb said:
Few points-

-They have changed the regulations now to make it so that the maximum length of contract you can amortise a players value over is eight years. So although they can’t outlaw eight year deals, there is now no longer any benefit in terms of FFP to offering an eight year deal as opposed to a five year one.

-You can’t stop clubs from offering hefty signing on bonuses because we operate in a free market economy, as long as they fall with in the financial perimeters of FFP then they can do what they want.

-Lloyd Kelly is not a sad cnut. He is a professional who wants to secure the best deal possible for himself and his family. He has no obligation to stay if he doesn’t want to, he’s not a Bournemouth fan. He clearly has a lot of very good attributes to his game, or else the calibre of club that are looking at him wouldn’t be. With all due respect, you are not more knowledgeable than elite club scouts.

Very little of what you say has any logic to it, it’s just all raw emotion.
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It is his opinion though whether agreeable or not. None of us have more knowledge than football scouts across all aspects of football. However, we all have opinions which may or may not be agreed with. And, football is an emotional sport with emotional supporters.
 
ForHeavensSake said:
It is his opinion though whether agreeable or not. None of us have more knowledge than football scouts across all aspects of football. However, we all have opinions which may or may not be agreed with. And, football is an emotional sport with emotional supporters.
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Yes…. Best put someone on ignore though so you don’t have to read anything that challenges…..
 
Neil Dawson said:
Yes…. Best put someone on ignore though so you don’t have to read anything that challenges…..
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Agree other than with exceptional bullying which I assume DJ will take care of. I see some of that bordering against NOC but at the same time you can be inviting some vindictive comments if you go too far. While not wanting to pick on Waz in particular, that floating about betting against “his team” was very provocative on an AFCB forum. Luckily, I had an issue with registering at the time as I could have ended up on the naughty list. I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time but I’m not in favor of the ignore feature. In fact, I’d love to have a laugh button added as I’ve often pressed the like button when I would have preferred to press laugh.
 
I can absolutely see where betting against your team - and discussing it on our forum - can be provocative but emotional hedges are absolutely a thing and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that. I personally prefer to bet ON my teams because I'm a) a homer and b) the emotions are much sharper (and therefore more fun) but I know plenty of fans that consistently bet against their teams to dull the emotions. "It sucks we lost, but at least my bank account is nice" is very much a thing that happens.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Yes…. Best put someone on ignore though so you don’t have to read anything that challenges…..
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With all due respect to Dragon, what he writes is so detached from reality I have made the decision that it’s a waste of my time to even read it. Just as it’s a waste of my time to read his semi regular abusive DMs (I assume that the ignore button blocks these too.) I very rarely use the function but I just find his posts to be a waste of time, I enjoy discussion and debate and disagree with many on here (as you know,) but I personally find very little if value in anything he writes. My decision to make.
 
Isn't the point not that other clubs do it or to compare how we are to other clubs but the reality that players leave our club because of our abuse?

A fresh start without the target on your back must be appealing regardless of whether we think that fanbase is better or worse than us.

It does show that there is a material competitive advantage we as fans could give our club and it's interesting that so few would want to take it.
 
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