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This is a perfect example of them either not understanding or deliberately ignoring the process of risk assessments.
Exactly this Rob. Proportionality doesn't seem to exist in their risk assessments.
This is a perfect example of them either not understanding or deliberately ignoring the process of risk assessments.
That and transparency.Exactly this Rob. Proportionality doesn't seem to exist in their risk assessments.
That and transparency.
A few comments related to this topic:Because the questions were vetted beforehand?
And I think the security chief should front up and answer any questions.
Thank you for the reply. I look forward to meeting Chris and to understanding why there is such a discrepancy between us and other clubs. Presumably they also want to keep their fans safe.A few comments related to this topic:
- We didn't "vet" any questions. We compiled as list of questions for efficiency. Nothing was avoided or ducked. and to reiterate, we opened up the floor to any questions for a long period of time.
- @LewSwimmin you asked me on here recenlty what the impacts have been for things like banning flasks. As we communicated when we put this in place, one of the primary reasons was to reduce flairs/pyro from being brought in. Since the introcution of the policy, we have had ZERO pyro inside vitality and a reduction in attempts to bring in pyro by over 55%. I'd say that is a success. And it was well more than the "one or two ...heads" @red_house mentions above.
-Chris G. is our Operations Director. He is very accesible. Feel free to stop and speak to him on a matchday. Contrary to Vitals, he does not carry a clipboard. or Email him at ops@afcb.co.uk.
- Other than flasks and umbrellas, since Chris has been in post, we have not made any changes to our standard operating procedures from years past related to queue searches, pat downs, general security, etc.
- @RobTrent Chris G. has a degree in Risk and Security management. He is well versed in risk assessment. We do not apologise for trying to keep all supporters safe and secure. Chris has said he will come and speak to you directly on Sunday at the match to discuss. Very transparent., He looks forward to it.
- @red_house - Finally, to assure you and using your words, this is part of my remit, I am powerful enough to act. The safety and security operation is paramount for all supporters.
Hope that clarifies the points above. And to be clear, outside of this chain on Vitals, we do not get approached directly about these items in any meaningful way or volume.
Up the Cherries!
Hi Jim, thanks for acknowledging my recent question to you on here.- @LewSwimmin you asked me on here recenlty what the impacts have been for things like banning flasks. As we communicated when we put this in place, one of the primary reasons was to reduce flairs/pyro from being brought in. Since the introcution of the policy, we have had ZERO pyro inside vitality and a reduction in attempts to bring in pyro by over 55%. I'd say that is a success.
Thank you for the reply. I look forward to meeting Chris and to understanding why there is such a discrepancy between us and other clubs. Presumably they also want to keep their fans safe.
And I did ask a question about increasing the rail seating shortly after it was implemented.
Edit: If anyone has any questions they would like me to ask please let me know. I will email Chris ahead of meeting him.
Could you ask him why we don't leave a man up the pitch when defending corners? Thanks.
Could you ask him why we don't leave a man up the pitch when defending corners? Thanks.
A few comments related to this topic:
- We didn't "vet" any questions. We compiled as list of questions for efficiency. Nothing was avoided or ducked. and to reiterate, we opened up the floor to any questions for a long period of time.
- @LewSwimmin you asked me on here recenlty what the impacts have been for things like banning flasks. As we communicated when we put this in place, one of the primary reasons was to reduce flairs/pyro from being brought in. Since the introcution of the policy, we have had ZERO pyro inside vitality and a reduction in attempts to bring in pyro by over 55%. I'd say that is a success. And it was well more than the "one or two ...heads" @red_house mentions above.
-Chris G. is our Operations Director. He is very accesible. Feel free to stop and speak to him on a matchday. Contrary to Vitals, he does not carry a clipboard. or Email him at ops@afcb.co.uk.
- Other than flasks and umbrellas, since Chris has been in post, we have not made any changes to our standard operating procedures from years past related to queue searches, pat downs, general security, etc.
- @RobTrent Chris G. has a degree in Risk and Security management. He is well versed in risk assessment. We do not apologise for trying to keep all supporters safe and secure. Chris has said he will come and speak to you directly on Sunday at the match to discuss. Very transparent., He looks forward to it.
- @red_house - Finally, to assure you and using your words, this is part of my remit, I am powerful enough to act. The safety and security operation is paramount for all supporters.
Hope that clarifies the points above. And to be clear, outside of this chain on Vitals, we do not get approached directly about these items in any meaningful way or volume.
Up the Cherries!
Lew, feel free to email Chris at the email included in my post. He and I would be happy to have you down to the club to talk in person regarding the securing of flares and pyro, and all things stewarding if you like. All relevant stats, policies and procedures.Hi Jim, thanks for acknowledging my recent question to you on here.
What I actually said was "As he is now on here perhaps Jim would like to tell us just how many dangerous objects have been confiscated from home fans this season as a result of these weekly unwarranted intrusions on our privacy. (Brollies not included!!)" and with respect, your posting doesn't actually answer that.
Whilst you have stated a 55% reduction in the attempts to bring in flares, this doesn't really answer my question. Perhaps you would be kind enough to clarify the actual number of flares that people have tried to bring in since the start of the season: the only figure stated is that none have been brought in since the new policy was instigated, and it would also be helpful to know when that started by way of comparison.
I can speak personally here as my wife comes thru main entrance and she gets checked, her bag reviewed, etc. TBF, I’m not watching every single person at every gate so hSimple question, does anyone entering the main entrance of the ground, box holders, corporate visitors etc get searched before being allowed up the stairs ? I've never done the "wine and dine" so just wondered if it was the same for all the ground ( H&S ) or just for us regular fans..............
Hard parmesanIndeed, was it even a fans forum if someone didn’t ask that question?
And has anyone been polite enough to ask Jim what his favourite cheese is yet?
I’m 79 years old, been coming to DC since I was 12. I have never felt so angry at what is happening with regard to the degrading, insulting searching of us “customers”! “Can you take your hat off Sir?” What’s that about?? And this after trudging through the p*****g rain because someone thinks my brolly is a military grade spear! As others have suggested, get the security “Expert” to go to a couple of away games and see how “proper” clubs do security.
And JF, don’t try to tell us you have the same security methods at the main entrance because that’s BS.