A bit of sanity returns to the world. Non

Could there still be a twist though?

But Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill, quoted by the Washington Post, said a recount could still be ordered if a review of write-in votes and military ballots narrowed it to within this range.

There was a total of 1.7% of votes for write-ins, where voters wrote in names of candidates who did not appear on the ballot paper.

Even if the final result is outside the 0.5% margin, either candidate can request a recount if they are prepared to pay the costs.

Mr Moore, a 70-year-old former judge, told his supporters it was not yet over.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42333712
 
A horse riding, right wing, Christian evangelical, child molestor.
:grin:
Surely he'll get a place in Trump's inner circle of advisors at some stage?
 
For as long as the Democrats are headed up by Hilary, they'll struggle to win over enough people across the different corners of America, she's too divisive. Dump her and they'll win comfortably.
 
northstandmark - 13/12/2017 09:25

For as long as the Democrats are headed up by Hilary, they'll struggle to win over enough people across the different corners of America, she's too divisive. Dump her and they'll win comfortably.
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Will she stand again?
 
northstandmark - 13/12/2017 09:25

For as long as the Democrats are headed up by Hilary, they'll struggle to win over enough people across the different corners of America, she's too divisive. Dump her and they'll win comfortably.
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umm... but they aren't headed up by Hillary are they? She holds no office in the party and has publicly stated that following 2016 she will not seek public office again. She's as (in)active as Obama.
 
northstandmark - 13/12/2017 09:25

For as long as the Democrats are headed up by Hilary, they'll struggle to win over enough people across the different corners of America, she's too divisive. Dump her and they'll win comfortably.
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Isnt it bizarre though that she deleted a few emails so the US being taken to WWIII by a woman molesting, cheating, racist idiot.

Must be tough for those in the south to work out whats worse...
 
billythekid - 13/12/2017 09:29

northstandmark - 13/12/2017 09:25

For as long as the Democrats are headed up by Hilary, they'll struggle to win over enough people across the different corners of America, she's too divisive. Dump her and they'll win comfortably.
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Will she stand again?
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Between her recent and ongoing speaking tour, constant press appearances, her book release, she refuses to melt into the background and let the party start life without her. She is keeping herself in the limelight and in the public eye. For a reason you'd think.
 
northstandmark - 13/12/2017 11:11

Between her recent and ongoing speaking tour, constant press appearances, her book release, she refuses to melt into the background and let the party start life without her. She is keeping herself in the limelight and in the public eye. For a reason you'd think.
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The tour and the book are basically the same thing. A lot of the press is either to do with the book/tour or because they ask her about stuff. And it's hardly constant. It could be argued that she is keeping herself in the public eye for a couple of reasons, neither related to running for office again:

1) If she wants to make money - which is what most ex-politicians want - it's now or never.
2) With all the siht happening it needs people to not just skulk quietly away. Someone/Anyone needs to keep reminding people that Trump is a basket case.

On either count, I'd hardly call the coverage "constant". People like Schumer, Pelosi at all are getting much more air time.

 
They dare not put Hilary up again, she's stale and tainted. Whoever it will be needs to be squeaky clean,not extreme,quite a lot younger and they can't fail. If Obamas missus decides to have a crack - not good either, although she's probably capable, links to the past not a good idea i.e her husband talked well but did little.
 
NornIron - 13/12/2017 11:16

northstandmark - 13/12/2017 11:11

Between her recent and ongoing speaking tour, constant press appearances, her book release, she refuses to melt into the background and let the party start life without her. She is keeping herself in the limelight and in the public eye. For a reason you'd think.
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The tour and the book are basically the same thing. A lot of the press is either to do with the book/tour or because they ask her about stuff. And it's hardly constant. It could be argued that she is keeping herself in the public eye for a couple of reasons, neither related to running for office again:

1) If she wants to make money - which is what most ex-politicians want - it's now or never.
2) With all the siht happening it needs people to not just skulk quietly away. Someone/Anyone needs to keep reminding people that Trump is a basket case.

On either count, I'd hardly call the coverage "constant". People like Schumer, Pelosi at all are getting much more air time.
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All it would take is for the Party apparatus and/or Hilary herself to openly rule out, say that she isn't being considered for 2020, and she could then crack on with all that self publicity stuff off her own back, without her shadow lingering over the party quite so much. Until that happens people are going to strongly associate her with what the party does now.

As a result her appearances rake back over the campaign, which she lost because she is just too unpalatable for too large a chunk of the country. And IMHO it holds the Dems back from building against Trump. Let new faces call Trump out and build towards 2020. Hilary doing it does the Dems no favours.

In wanting to make herself money, she solidifies Republicans around Trump as the anti-Hilary. Remove her from the picture and suddenly Trump is weaker.

All just my view based on talking with my American family (some of whom are very Democrat and some very Republican).
 
Northstandmark - excellent posts, good angles. And Trump a basket case?
Sure; and if he carries on upsetting people around the world it is entirely possible that he will end up a 'Casket' case' !
 
Northstandmark - excellent posts, good angles. Norniron-And Trump a basket case?
Sure; and if he carries on upsetting people around the world it is entirely possible that he will end up a 'Casket' case' !
 
northstandmark - 13/12/2017 11:32

All it would take is for the Party apparatus and/or Hilary herself to openly rule out, say that she isn't being considered for 2020, .....
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You mean like this?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-20170406-story.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/09/10/hillary_clinton_says_she_will_never_run_for_office_again.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/hillary-clinton-says-she-will-not-run-again-for-president-but-will-continue-to-call-out-trump.html

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-election-cbs-sunday-morning-1202553375/

http://uk.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-election-loss-trump-future-career-plans

She is irrelevant. She's like Tony Blair - will spout off a bit about politics now and then - but as a career it's over and she has admitted that.

If anything it's Trump who keeps bringing up the notion of her returning purely because he knows it scares people to think she is still around.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-2020-presidential-election-democrat-opponent-republican-a8003086.html


Edit to say US Cherry beat me to some of the above.
 
She still soaks up millions and millions in donations from somewhere aimed at "resistance" to Trump with her Onward organisation. Dem heavy media such as the links at the bottom continue to push for her and promote her. They wouldn't do that if they just had a clear categorical statement, as opposed to the sound bites, vague caution and question avoidance. She continues to publicly attack Bernie (and visa versa to be fair) as well, which is rather odd for a party needing to look forward, and focus on building against Trump.

I totally get and agree with Blair comparisons. Every time he churps up over here, Labour's polling dips, and the Labour leadership of the time chucks their head in their hands. At the moment she seems rather more in American's faces than Blair is for us though? Perhaps that will ease off as the years roll on and 2020 gets closer, we'll see.

FWIW I'd like to think even if she did run, the party would have enough sense to choose elsewhere. I just assert that her current lingering does them no good at all. She most certainly IS still around, she is making sure of that! Even if it is just in the name of making money as suggested.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/hillary-clinton-is-running-for-president-again-214766
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/10/24/hillary-2020-trump-better-hope-not/?utm_term=.df9b45d1dccc
http://time.com/3924857/hillary-clinton-2020/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/making-the-case-for-2020-hillary-clinton_us_5900f9ace4b00acb75f18443
 
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