Eddie Howe - AFCB - Newcastle United

Neil Dawson said:
I genuinely think you don’t stop to read stuff sometimes. Just write an over dramatic thesis.

Eddie Howe has said that he has made mistakes In his training regimes that have cost his players fitness. That’s Eddie Howe. Not me, not any of the people you name. Eddie Howe.

When my mate.. who is only backstreet if that’s your definition of people that have worked with Olympic squads, worked with a couple of our players at the Nuffield he said exactly the same things.

Every year he overworks players… but don’t take it from me or my backstreet boys… take it from Eddie. Not that you really need to when the evidence is smashing you in the face.
Click to expand...

No Neil, this is what he said...

"The players do a lot of work. They don’t just go out on the training pitch, they do a lot of gym work, a lot of different things. If we are sitting here going we have not made any mistakes I think we are being fools. So, of course, we analyse everything. When I say we, I include everyone at the football club. It’s not about one individual or department. We are all in it together and, of course, we have to respond."

They analyse everything, of course they do. What else are they going to do?
 
Not sure if this means much but today I caught up with my mate Ken the Geordie...who has previously sung the praises of Eddie Howe in no small measure....but now tells me that Newcastle fans are fast coming to a realisation that although Eddie is a brilliant Coach...he has some severe limitations with Management at this level..whereas he personally thinks Iraola is a better manager...and probably Eddie's equal as a coach.
I didn't argue to any intensity because im not sure of the borderlines, and how much they overlap, with coaching and management.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Yes and they’ve analysed it and concluded they’ve made mistakes. Nothing wrong in that it’s good management. They have overworked player groups for too long and if this helps him hit even greater heights then that’s brilliant.
Click to expand...

So in your head, they only started to analyse the injury issues this season after it affected Newcastle and that's when they came up with the same conclusion that your mate did?

It's just mindboggling how you could think like this.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
So in your head, they only started to analyse the injury issues this season after it affected Newcastle and that's when they came up with the same conclusion that your mate did?

It's just mindboggling how you could think like this.
Click to expand...
No. I’ve explained this many times you just choose to ignore it but I will give it another go.

They’ve always worried about it and called in an external specialist at Bournemouth who reported that there was nothing amiss (well that was the clubs line on the matter)

The injury record would throw huge doubt on that as it would be a remarkable coincidence. When you then hear an Olympic squad physio saying the training methods here he observed were too intense it becomes questionable.

When the leader of the same coaches and head of sports science comes out at his next club and confirms they’ve overtrained the squad it kind of all becomes obvious.

I asked my mate why someone would have said the training regime was ok here but he didn’t think it was and he said it’s not an exact science and professionals will all differ to degrees on acceptable work loads. He was very suprised though.
 
Neil Dawson said:
No. I’ve explained this many times you just choose to ignore it but I will give it another go.

They’ve always worried about it and called in an external specialist at Bournemouth who reported that there was nothing amiss (well that was the clubs line on the matter)

The injury record would throw huge doubt on that as it would be a remarkable coincidence. When you then hear an Olympic squad physio saying the training methods here he observed were too intense it becomes questionable.

When the leader of the same coaches and head of sports science comes out at his next club and confirms they’ve overtrained the squad it kind of all becomes obvious.

I asked my mate why someone would have said the training regime was ok here but he didn’t think it was and he said it’s not an exact science and professionals will all differ to degrees on acceptable work loads. He was very suprised though.
Click to expand...

Sorry who's said they overtrained the players?

The truth is Neil they were aware of it then and are aware of it now and have tried to strike the balance the entire time. Of course they have! There's an absolute fortune at stake and even if Eddie Howe was a clueless moron he'd never be able to get away with training regimes that injured players and derailed seasons at two clubs.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Sorry who's said they overtrained the players?

The truth is Neil they were aware of it then and are aware of it now and have tried to strike the balance the entire time. Of course they have! There's an absolute fortune at stake and even if Eddie Howe was a clueless moron he'd never be able to get away with training regimes that injured players and derailed seasons at two clubs.
Click to expand...
Well he kind of didn’t get away with it here as he got relegated and it cost him his job one way or another and he is under scrutiny there after a disastrous injury ravaged run.
 
They got unlucky with that CL group aswell - replace just 1 of those teams with a Shakthar for e.g he would've got them to last 16 with Dan Burn at the back, Longstaff in CM and Murphy out wide, Almiron - works hard but no football brain. I think Callum is nowhere near player he was anymore the pace is vanishing rapidly. So they're relying on a few of newer star players like Bruno, Isak, Gordon or experience Trippier or Joelinton's CM destroyer role that Eddie converted him into.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Well he kind of didn’t get away with it here as he got relegated and it cost him his job one way or another and he is under scrutiny there after a disastrous injury ravaged run.
Click to expand...

So you think he's just sat there shrugging his shoulders and cursing his luck? Despite the fact he literally says that he analyses everything?

Neil, if you were a football manager who regularly experienced loads of injuries to your players would you just shrug your shoulders, curse your luck and cry yourself to sleep? Or might you try and find out what the problem was? If a back street Lansdowne physio can see the issue I expect other people might have considered it too don't you think?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
If a back street Lansdowne physio can see the issue I expect other people might have considered it too don't you think?
Click to expand...
They have Del. He’s subsequently come out and admitted he’s overtraining them. He says when you get the level of injuries they have there is inevitably some fault in training regimes. He had the same levels here.
 
Neil Dawson said:
They have Del. He’s subsequently come out and admitted he’s overtraining them. He says when you get the level of injuries they have there is inevitably some fault in training regimes. He had the same levels here.
Click to expand...

He hasn't said that. Also, if you think that he's only just started to ask himself the question about whether his training regimes are linked to injuries this season then I have a bridge to sell you.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
No He hasn't said that. Also, if you think that he's only just started to ask himself the question about whether his training regimes are linked to injuries this season then I have a bridge to sell you.
Click to expand...
I literally told you I don’t think that. He’s always asked the question. He’s just asked the echo chamber or one outsider who was clearly wrong.
 
Neil Dawson said:
I literally told you I don’t think that. He’s always asked the question. He’s just asked the echo chamber or one outsider who was clearly wrong.
Click to expand...

What echo chamber? The guy he previously worked with at AFCB that he's just employed to sort it out at Newcastle? All the other medical staff other people have pointed out to you who weren't previously connected to afcb yet were at Newcastle when loads of players got injured?

Your agenda defies all logic. Nobody in football likes injuries. Not owners, managers, players, agents, etc. it is not possible for a manager to pursue some idiotic policy of overtraining players without considering the injury implications - even if they wanted to, which they obviously would not.

You have loads of terrible agendas but this is the most idiotic imo.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
What echo chamber? The guy he previously worked with at AFCB that he's just employed to sort it out at Newcastle? All the other medical staff other people have pointed out to you who weren't previously connected to afcb yet were at Newcastle when loads of players got injured?

Your agenda defies all logic. Nobody in football likes injuries. Not owners, managers, players, agents, etc. it is not possible for a manager to pursue some idiotic policy of overtraining players without considering the injury implications - even if they wanted to, which they obviously would not.

You have loads of terrible agendas but this is the most idiotic imo.
Click to expand...
Del. It’s simple. He overworks teams… it’s part of his initial success but then they can’t do it long term. Injury ravaged squads follow him wherever he goes and he is now quoted as saying that’s him and his teams fault.

IMG_2874.jpeg
None of this comes as any surprise to me because an eminent Olympic physio working with our players told me it years ago.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Del. It’s simple. He overworks teams… it’s part of his initial success but then they can’t do it long term. Injury ravaged squads follow him wherever he goes and he is now quoted as saying that’s him and his teams fault.

View attachment 13272
Click to expand...

It is simple. He's working his b*llocks off to try and find the balance between getting his players ready to perform at the level he wants whilst also trying to minimise injuries. He's always done this. Every manger always does this. You can't not do this if you manage a PL club.

Your quote is not evidence that he's suddenly realised this is an issue it is evidence that he leaves no stone unturned and will constantly question every aspect of his methods as he always has done.... because he's not a moron.

Read the full article. It's all there.
 
Del got the final answer in....... he goes to bed a happy little camper.

I thinks it's patently obvious that to get the very best out of your squad you need them being at close to peak performance week in, week out, across the season.

Howe, and many other managers perhaps push their squad a little too far in the pursuit of 'peak performance'

It isn't an exact science, but SDD and Neil both want to win the debate, which in reality can never be won.

At least if Eddie gets to be the England manager, he will never be able to be accused of over exerting his squad in training.
 
dragonm8 said:
Del got the final answer in....... he goes to bed a happy little camper.

I thinks it's patently obvious that to get the very best out of your squad you need them being at close to peak performance week in, week out, across the season.

Howe, and many other managers perhaps push their squad a little too far in the pursuit of 'peak performance'

It isn't an exact science, but SDD and Neil both want to win the debate, which in reality can never be won.

At least if Eddie gets to be the England manager, he will never be able to be accused of over exerting his squad in training.
Click to expand...

So... basically you agree with me.
 
Howe literally quotes work loads and the gym but the argument still apparently rotates around players being worked to hard on the training ground.

Howe and the backroom team he has there and at afcb probably have very little to do with the work load management and their schedule in the gym.

There’s only Dan Hodges who has been at both clubs of a 10 man sports science team and yet the conclusion is still…
Neil Dawson said:
He overworks teams… it’s part of his initial success but then they can’t do it long term. Injury ravaged squads follow him wherever he goes
Click to expand...

The other part of all of this is the fact that loads of other clubs have also suffered “injury ravaged squads”, which of course has nothing to do with Howe.

You even have other sports where the schedules are getting more and more intense and mirroring football with no breaks and guess what…injuries are going up.

The common denominator isn’t Eddie Howe. It’s the number of times elite sportspeople are expected to perform at an elite level without the proper amount of recovery time.

The answer is being searched for by all managers, they all know the answer though and it’s proper maintained schedules for players (rest)… but none of them have a chance to do that due to the schedule and pressure on the teams.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

;