Match report v Luton

CherryBare said:
Says the guy who reckoned we were better off yesterday with lerma sent off, down to 10, as he was getting in the way!
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Were you watching the game!? We looked better after the sending off! Just because an opinions unpopular it doesn’t mean it’s wrong!
 
CherryBare said:
You talk some shite, in case you missed it we lost the game after he went off
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Unlike some I’m capable of evaluating a performance rather than just looking at two numbers on a scoreboard to form an opinion. Hence my unpopular opinion that we haven’t been good enough this season, despite points accumulated. We played better yesterday after the sending off than we have on many occasions this season.
 
Waz afcb said:
Were you watching the game!? We looked better after the sending off! Just because an opinions unpopular it doesn’t mean it’s wrong!
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no, what you actually said was that the sending off made no difference to the outcome which even you must admit was a pretty dumb comment
 
Waz afcb said:
Lol anyone could see early on that we didn’t have the players to play it.
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'Anyone could see"....We all have opinions but LOL i love posts that begin like that.....yeah because in your mind you're not just a clueless guesser who think they know more about tactics than Eddie or JT does.....honestly it's hilarious......why don't you tear yourself away from the West Ham highlights and read my post again.
 
Topfarrier said:
'Anyone could see"....We all have opinions but LOL i love posts that begin like that.....yeah because in your mind you're not just a clueless guesser who think they know more about tactics than Eddie or JT does.....honestly it's hilarious......why don't you tear yourself away from the West Ham highlights and read my post again.
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Can’t admit you’re wrong. Never mind lol
 
Topfarrier said:
He won't admit he's wrong......in fairness to him i think he believes most of the absolute drivel he posts.......i know it's tragic but it does provide a bit of entertainment tbf..
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its funny when he puts his view across its his opinion but when someone does not agree with him then they are completely wrong, no one else can have a opinion its waz's way or no way
 
bpl234 said:
passing for the sake of passing isn’t always the answer .
In a team you need proper balance . Balance where you can play it around and go from side to side .
At the moment we have no threat from the wide areas whatsoever . Teams just pack the middle against us . Not rocket science when we only look to really go through the middle .
Any time we do go via the wide areas we seem to create a change or half chance
I’m not saying that 442 or 424 is the answer but you would get balance on both sides of the pitch .
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I would agree that passing for the sake of it is not necessarily the way to go just sometimes I think we start play, get turned over and start again too much.
As I said it’s a fine balance between keeping possession and causing the opposition enough problems to pull them apart a bit.
 
Waz afcb said:
Unlike some I’m capable of evaluating a performance rather than just looking at two numbers on a scoreboard to form an opinion. Hence my unpopular opinion that we haven’t been good enough this season, despite points accumulated. We played better yesterday after the sending off than we have on many occasions this season.
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I'm sure JT will play 10 going forward instead of 11, and take your advice
 
Waz afcb said:
Unlike some I’m capable of evaluating a performance rather than just looking at two numbers on a scoreboard to form an opinion. Hence my unpopular opinion that we haven’t been good enough this season, despite points accumulated. We played better yesterday after the sending off than we have on many occasions this season.
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in an attempt at balance, I agree, we haven't played well in a few games and only put in a complete 90 minute performance once or twice all season, however, ultimately performances count for nowt; numerous times in the last 5 seasons we played teams off the park and lost
unfortunately you choose to tag the poor performances comment with the demand for a change of manager so often you're point is lost
 
CherryBare said:
I'm sure JT will play 10 going forward instead of 11, and take your advice
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Come on even you must be able to grasp that isn’t what I was saying, I was pointing out the ineffectiveness of Jeff, so much so to the point that not having on the pitch had a positive impact on our attacking play. But don’t worry, I’m sure your best buddy top farrier will be along to like your response so it’s all good.
 
Waz afcb said:
Come on even you must be able to grasp that isn’t what I was saying, I was pointing out the ineffectiveness of Jeff, so much so to the point that not having on the pitch had a positive impact on our attacking play. But don’t worry, I’m sure your best buddy top farrier will be along to like your response so it’s all good.
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As I've said previously you obviously don't watch us live and see the tracking back and yards he covers on the pitch. Hence the yellows he picks up. But you seem to blame him for lacking intent yesterday.
 
CherryBare said:
As I've said previously you obviously don't watch us live and see the tracking back and yards he covers on the pitch. Hence the yellows he picks up. But you seem to blame him for lacking intent yesterday.
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I'm afraid once Waz sets an agenda there's nothing that will deter him from it.....no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
 
The one major failing yesterday was our pathetic attempts at set pieces especially corners. We had about 10 corners and Luton out jumped us every time to head the ball out. We are also lacking the technical ability to break down packed defences especially when without Danjuma and Stan.
 
Waz afcb said:
Come on even you must be able to grasp that isn’t what I was saying, I was pointing out the ineffectiveness of Jeff, so much so to the point that not having on the pitch had a positive impact on our attacking play. But don’t worry, I’m sure your best buddy top farrier will be along to like your response so it’s all good.
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I am willing to explore this ineffectiveness. To avoid subjectivity and semantics, what measures define effectiveness Vs ineffectiveness?

Lerma mis-controlled a couple of passes, but nothing else was below the average for the team in that first 25 mins, so on that basis I wouldn't say he was ineffective, he just wasn't as effective as you want him to be. We didn't even give up a shot in the first half. Billing was no better when he came on and wasted time booting the ball away when we were chasing the game. What you may have witnessed though is Brooks might actually be better in central midfield than further advanced so he was more effective albeit with less ahead of him than normal so not enough options. So if we can be solid with the back 3 of yesterday, playing Brooks and L Cook is not a bad option if they have 3 attacking players ahead of them, such as Danjuma, Solanke, and King.

If you want to highlight ineffectiveness, try Adam Smith, who out of position, mis controlled thrice, caught in possession twice and only managed 2 crosses compared to 10 from Rico, and even 3 from Kelly. It could even be argued Jeff's making a challenge where Smithy should be covering. That's not to say he is poor player, but he can do better but 10 Vs 11 makes everything hard to judge.

At end of day, it's still just my opinion, even if it's backed up with a few selective facts.
 
DodgerCherry said:
The one major failing yesterday was our pathetic attempts at set pieces especially corners. We had about 10 corners and Luton out jumped us every time to head the ball out. We are also lacking the technical ability to break down packed defences especially when without Danjuma and Stan.
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I thought our first ball in has improved, but we just don't seem to anticipate that we might not win the header, so there's a lack of players arriving late in the box. Should always be one player attacking far post and a couple outside box to win the second ball. It's that second ball that we often get wrong.

We do however also need to separate out our big guys more, who often compete for same ball on free kicks and corners. Deep corners beyond far post to Billing or Cook to head back across would be a good variation.
 
kirsikka said:
--- Game Spins on Webb Shocker ---

After the insipid draw earlier in the week, the Cherries again faced a team in the bottom half of the table at Dean Court. The unfortunate injury to Stanislas from that match meant Tindall rung the changes, with Carter-Vickers in to make his first league start, Smith moving to left wing back to accommodate the returning Stacey and King replacing Junior.

It looked as if it would be the same formation but JT sprung a surprise, pushing King into a central role to support Solanke and with Brooks allowed freedom to roam behind them, not a bad decision given his propensity to wander. It was kind of a 3-4-1-2 that demanded a lot from the two wing backs and needed the respective centre back to also get forward and support out wide.

The Cherries started well with some good possession as Luton again played the role we’ve seen so often this season of sitting in and asking us to break them down, hoping to hit us on the break. Given it’s worked enough times you can understand why.

Luton nearly gifted Bournemouth an early goal when a header back to the keeper was way too soft and looked like it would land for King, only for his outstretched boot to not quite get the contact he hoped for and ending in a tame shot.

On both flanks, the wing backs were prominent in getting forward with Rico acting as a good foil for Smith on the left, helping him to create triangles that worked the Luton defence. Stacey didn’t have an equivalent forward playing centre back on his side but proved adept at making an impact solo with his pace or with whoever happened to be nearby.

At the other end Harry Cornick was chasing everything for Luton, desperate for a hit against his former club. Carter-Vickers showed good reading of the game and skill to clear up and prevent chances from developing for him.

With 25 minutes gone and the game meandering along, the Cherries looked superior without creating too much of note whilst Luton were hanging in there when the game was changed by an officious interjection from referee Webb.

A Begovic clearance to near the halfway line had Lerma leaping into the air to challenge only to be nudged in flight by a Luton player. Knocked out of his trajectory he made the purely natural movement of swinging his arm around to try and regain his equilibrium and prevent himself from landing awkwardly. As part of this, the tips of his fingers scraped across the face of Luton player, Lockyer, standing nearby. Lockyer collapsed with some blood leaking out from the wound created by the trailing hand.

Rather than take a moment to review the whole incident in his mind and realise it came about from the other Luton players’s nudge, the ref combined the sight of blood with Lerma’s pending charges and, at best guess, phrenology to decide it must have been a flailing elbow and whipped out his red card.

It was exactly the kind of incident that three years ago would led to demands from some for VAR as the ref had dropped an absolute clanger. However, given it’s current implementation, VAR would probably have taken seven minutes to keep the red decision as is and added on a penalty for Luton.

In response to going down to ten men, Tindall kept the same personnel on the pitch but had Brooks drop further back into midfield with King and Solanke alternating leading the line or playing in behind the other.

The sending off left Luton looked confused and a tactical mess since they didn’t know what to do with their game plan now they were expected to try and attack. They still didn’t manage that but contrived to look shakier at the back with the ten men playing their way around them only to see multiple almost chances never quite developing into the real thing.

The King and Solanke partnership was a thing of pleasure as they dragged players around and tried to create space for each other. Having earlier this season looked like a player unaware he had teammates, King was playing with an unselfish streak I can’t recall seeing for a long time. He even dummied one ball to allow it to run to a non-existent Cherry when the situation demanded he show some greed and have a crack.

The half time whistle blew and referee Webb was given a non-stop chuntering escort from the pitch all the way down the tunnel from Tindall. The ref’s face didn’t even acknowledge him as his expression looked like he’d mainlined a wholesale delivery of Botox. I assume he’d been made aware over his headset that he’d got it badly wrong and so wanted to get away from the scene of the crime.

The Cherries top brass made it known to media immediately that the red card will be appealed and, undoubtedly, rescinded but that didn’t help matters for the coming 45 minutes.

Immediately from the kick off Luton showed a bit more ambition. A free kick was sent into the back post where an attacker was stood all along after King and another defender had let themselves get dragged into the centre. The Luton player blasted a shot which Begovic somehow deflected only to see it hit Solanke and then trickle past the post. That’s the second time this week we’ve been completely undone by the absolute basics on a meat and drink free kick so that needs to be worked on.

From the corner the ball reached a Luton player in the six yard box and he leathered it at goal only to see Begovic react like a Mantis Shrimp, kicking out a leg to save it with his foot. The ball broke loose and moments later another shot was fired in from further out but heading like an Exocet for the corner only to see the Bosnian once again produce an excellent save to keep it out.

Three times in two minutes he kept out chances that would have beaten most keepers. It was like watching Gandalf face down a Balrog; the ball shall not pass.

After that flurry failed to produce a goal Luton disappeared from the attacking half again as the Cherries belied their smaller numbers to put the visitors under sustained pressure. One King run was like something from his AFCB greatest moments showreel as he ran with pace, power and skill only to slip it through to Solanke at the perfect moment. Dom flicked it past the keeper but didn’t see the covering defender who cleared it before it could roll into the net.

In amongst all the good work from the Cherries there was one black mark. The earlier season set piece foibles had reappeared with corner after free kick after corner being floated in with plenty of air meaning the lamppost Luton had in central defence could clear it easily every time. It was crying out for someone to tell Rico to fire it in with pace but the shout never came.

Finally on 66 minutes Luton dared venture forth into the Bournemouth half again as an attack down the right opened up some space near the box as the player cut inside. He passed it further in to Dewsbury-Hall who had S Cook standing off him allowing him space to take a shot which flew into the net giving Begovic no chance.

Tindall rung the changes, trying to bring on fresh legs to make a difference. With Rico off we did finally see some different set piece deliveries and wonder of wonders one of them almost worked as Steve Cook nodded it back across goal only for it to not land kindly for the Cherries. The key here is though the style of ball in meant it created a problem for Luton.

Once again a series of almost moments characterised the Bournemouth attacks. It felt like it would never drop until finally on 85 minutes Kelly speared in a cross which was met on the volley first time by Riquelme only to see the Luton keeper save it.

That was it. A game we dominated with ten men but lost to a team that only went into our half when they were chased out of theirs. 36% possession when you’ve got a man advantage for over an hour might possibly be a record.

The man on the pitch that made the real difference to the match today though was, unfortunately, the one person you don’t want to be the centre of attention. A ref should never guess what’s happened for such a crucial decision.
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Good game. With Bournemouth having players on parachute payments and earning ten times Luton's the sending off made it more fairly balanced. Thought we pushed very hard, Solanke and King were good but Luton defended very well. Bradley won everything. One bit of class from Dewsbury Hall and that was that. Fair result given all the factors
 
As usual we looked very classy, Luton were very strong at the back but for all our possession it is ironic that the best player was our goalkeeper which suggests that the most tactically adept team won. I am pretty sure that we will gain promotion back to the Premier though even though the Championship is a far far better league to watch.
 
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