Non - Brexit

JIMNNINA said:
The uk is not part of the eu.

The uk is governed by the uk government.

Always good to better the opposition using their tactics though a scapegoat or two could be added.

The telegraph and mail recognise boris is a liability rather than an asset only the express remaining a full on supporter.
Interesting budget coming up which will share out the benefits of taking back control.
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What are your thoughts on the article about the EU?
 
JIMNNINA said:
The uk is not part of the eu.

The uk is governed by the uk government.

Always good to better the opposition using their tactics though a scapegoat or two could be added.

The telegraph and mail recognise boris is a liability rather than an asset only the express remaining a full on supporter.
Interesting budget coming up which will share out the benefits of taking back control.
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If you are confused with why other posts keep dragging the conversation back to the EU on this thread, can I bring your attention to the thread title?
 
billythekid said:
In 2017 we were at Devils Bridge and got talking to a couple, the husband was English and the wife Welsh.

It turns out during our conversation it came to the Welsh language and she mentioned she could understand some of the language in parts of Spain.

You may find this below interesting.

But what is the truth of our origins? Over to Professor Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University, who says some 81% of the Welsh have DNA evidence which shows a common link to ancestors who came to Britain from northern Spain many thousands of years ago.

In fact, many Britons share a gene pool that can be traced back to Basque. Around three-quarters of the Welsh, Scots and English can be traced to those who arrived from the Basque country between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago.

Based on research into DNA studies across the UK and Ireland over the past 10 years, the professor's theory on British origins challenges mainstream historical views. And it might horrify those who like to think they are a distinct race apart from the English.

Most people in Scotland, Ireland and Wales were assumed to be descended from Celtic farming tribes who migrated here from central Europe up to 6,500 years ago. The English were thought to largely take their genetic line from the Anglo-Saxon invaders of the Dark Ages who supposedly wiped out the Celts in England.

But that's all part of a "Celtic myth", says Professor Oppenheimer in The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story.

"The majority of the gene pool of the British Isles is very ancient and dates to the era after the last great Ice Age. It has nothing to do with Celts or Anglo-Saxons or any more recent ethnic labels.

"The Ice Age made Britain a polar desert and there was nobody living here around 13,000 BC until the first settlers came to the British Isles from the Basque country of northern Spain between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago.

"Something like three-quarters of the ancestors of our modern gene pool arrived then.

"The ancestors of some 88% of the Irish, 81% of the Welsh, 79% of the Cornish, 70% of Scots and 68% of the English arrived here during that period. None of the later immigrations contributed anything more than 5% to the gene pool."

So genetically speaking, according to the Professor, a member of Green College, Oxford, the Welsh have more in common with the English than they have differences.

"There is also no evidence of Celtic languages being spoken until much later, so most of these people probably spoke something like Basque, and though it is controversial, there is structural evidence of Basque influence on later Celtic languages and English as well."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/basque-ing-in-welsh-dna-2281798
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Very interesting BTK. The links and cross fertilisation must’ve continued after the migrations. I visited Galicia in northern Spain about 10 years ago as part of 2nd year Open Uni Spanish. Mainly stayed in Santiago de Compostela and Coruña. The Galicians speak an unusual version of Spanish which sounds more like Portuguese although the structure is clearly still v Spanish. Lots of letter x’s sounding like soft z’s. But also a similarity I felt to Basque although still different. The Galicians believe they are Celts although they’ve not been granted properCeltic identity under what I think is the Celtic League of Nations. They have plenty of Celt symbolism throughout their culture including bagpipes and Celtic crosses etc. The blood sampling to work out ancestral links is becoming really interesting and throwing up lots of surprises!
 
DJ said:
If you are confused with why other posts keep dragging the conversation back to the EU on this thread, can I bring your attention to the thread title?
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BREXIT.

The uk is now in post eu membership. The need to refer to the eu as the benchmark of capable government should be a thing of the past.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
You mean best focus on people you prefer to criticise?
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That is marcus rashfords role surely. Even boris congratulated rashford on his boris bashing.

Dorset mps question the goverment policy and performance should they be silenced?

Probably a good idea to start sharing that list of lessons learned.
 
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JIMNNINA said:
BREXIT.

The uk is now in post eu membership. The need to refer to the eu as the benchmark of capable government should be a thing of the past.
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JIMNNINA said:
That is marcus rashfords role surely. Even boris congratulated rashford on his boris bashing.

Dorset mps question the goverment policy and performance should they be silenced?

Probably a good idea to start sharing that list of lessons learned.
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Why are you still posting on the brexit thread if you don't think discussions about our relationship with the EU are relevant and can only come up with unrelated issues such as Marcus Rashford and Dorset MPs?
 
JIMNNINA said:
The uk is not part of the eu.

The uk is governed by the uk government.

Always good to better the opposition using their tactics though a SCAPEGOAT or two could be added.

The telegraph and mail recognise boris is a liability rather than an asset only the express remaining a full on supporter.
Interesting budget coming up which will share out the benefits of taking back control.
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Definition of scapegoat :A person that is blamed for the wrongdoings ,mistakes or faults of others . Especially for reasons of expediency .

Yes Jim or nina we know he’s the PM but laying the blame for every single issue in this country at his door just to avoid blaming others is the very definition of scapegoating .
The lengths you go to to avoid any discussions of the EU is pretty hilarious to be honest .
 
Jules said:
Very interesting BTK. The links and cross fertilisation must’ve continued after the migrations. I visited Galicia in northern Spain about 10 years ago as part of 2nd year Open Uni Spanish. Mainly stayed in Santiago de Compostela and Coruña. The Galicians speak an unusual version of Spanish which sounds more like Portuguese although the structure is clearly still v Spanish. Lots of letter x’s sounding like soft z’s. But also a similarity I felt to Basque although still different. The Galicians believe they are Celts although they’ve not been granted properCeltic identity under what I think is the Celtic League of Nations. They have plenty of Celt symbolism throughout their culture including bagpipes and Celtic crosses etc. The blood sampling to work out ancestral links is becoming really interesting and throwing up lots of surprises!
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Interesting.

When we went on a Canary Island cruise in October 2017, our last port of call was Vigo in Spain.

We went on a day trip to iIsla de la Toja, Galicia, there was a small church there made of shells. Think it was the Sandbanks of that area.
 
Jim's patent smoke and mirrors move.

Brexit, the general election, the pandemic, Labour's anti-Semitism, the EU... It's always the same...

Endless distraction tactics and whataboutism.

No humility. No honesty.

Just an ideologue who prevents progress as much as the Tories he hates. He thinks he's the cure but in reality he's a massive part of the problem.
 
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The solution to the Northern Ireland problem seems to be keeping it in the EU. The desire for an independent Scotland is growing massively and even passive Wales has more and more natives seeking independence. It’s going well, isn’t it?
 
Ahhh Bisto !....sorry Ahhh Brexit!

Jolly jolly Brexit...what a jape !

Covid has eaten Brexit.......everything is laid bare....in disarray.....there is virtually no point referencing what is now with what was then.

Dylan's song ' Times they are a'Changin'....glorious lyrics !
 
stanthevan said:
The solution to the Northern Ireland problem seems to be keeping it in the EU. The desire for an independent Scotland is growing massively and even passive Wales has more and more natives seeking independence. It’s going well, isn’t it?
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It's marginally better than Jim's distraction efforts i'll give you that.
 
JIMNNINA said:
UnHerd aims to do two things: to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people and places.

We think this approach is more needed than ever. Societies across the West are divided and stuck, and the established media is struggling to make sense of what’s happening. The governing ideologies of the past generation are too often either unquestioningly defended or rejected wholesale.

It’s easy and safe to be in one or other of these two camps – defensive liberal or angry reactionary - but UnHerd is trying to do something different, and harder.

We want to be bold enough to identify those things that have been lost, as well as gained, by the liberal world order of the past thirty years; but we strive to be always thoughtful rather than divisive.

We are not aligned with any political party, and the writers and ideas we are interested in come from both left and right traditions. But we instinctively believe that the way forward will be found through a shift of emphasis: towards community not just individualism, towards responsibilities as well as Rights, and towards meaning and virtue over shallow materialism.

Welcome to UnHerd. We hope you find something that makes you think again.

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What the hell was the point of copy and pasting that . You think you’ve made some great discovery or something just because you followed a link I put up .One day you’ll make a sensible point ...one day
 
The way to see this...to do this..is to set aside for 20 minutes or preferably more ..your core beliefs and irate thoughts.. and pretend you are that jerk who always challenges you....think about his life..where he comes from, what his wealth is terms of both money and brains and why he might be differing in opinion to you.
It stands a chance of pulling you into the middle if you give it few goes !
 
stanthevan said:
The solution to the Northern Ireland problem seems to be keeping it in the EU. The desire for an independent Scotland is growing massively and even passive Wales has more and more natives seeking independence. It’s going well, isn’t it?
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You're boring mate. The British Empire has far more history than the EU.
Go to Southern Ireland and live on your bitty.
 
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