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GARYafCb said:
Sad day for me - I ditched my Labour Party membership today.
The sacking of Angela Rayner showed Kier Starmer’s true colours and I can’t support him any longer.
I need a serious read of their policies - but i see myself drifting towards the Greens.
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It's a decision I have considered and I know many others are. I'll wait and see whether Starmer restates the policies that he said he'd stand by or go more Tory Lite.
 
stanthevan said:
It’s extraordinary how many of the voters in Hartlepool seem to be blaming Labour for the effects of austerity.
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These people have voted Labour for generations and have watched their towns go down the shitter. The tories started paying lip service to their problems when these seats became obtainable. Lip service is more than they've had for decades so you could say voting Labour would be astonishing. I doubt many think things will change much by voting tories in but then again the know nothing will change if they continue to vote Labour.

Plus they are probably sick of being told how thick they are by southern Labour voters.
 
So the Labour left are now defecting to the Greens. It's fine taking the moral high ground etc etc, but until the Tories are out of power it's just a wasted vote. Electoral reform can then follow and your vote will be worth something. I can envisage seats now with the Labour and Green vote split lets the Tory in.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
These people have voted Labour for generations and have watched their towns go down the shitter. The tories started paying lip service to their problems when these seats became obtainable. Lip service is more than they've had for decades so you could say voting Labour would be astonishing. I doubt many think things will change much by voting tories in but then again the know nothing will change if they continue to vote Labour.

Plus they are probably sick of being told how thick they are by southern Labour voters.
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You're missing the point quite spectacularly. Listen to almost any of the interviews they have given. They are blaming Labour for having no police on the street, no doctors or nurses in their hospitals, no magistrates court etc. and have decided to transfer their vote to the very party responsible for all of their ills.
 
Green is a wasted Vote is it ? P*ss-Off with that!
Not Labour ? No ? with this Collection of Muppets.
What Nation in their right mind would have a Home Secretary like Diane Abbot?

That's like having Johnny Vegas leading our attack in the blinkin' Play-Offs ! :unsure:
 
stanthevan said:
You're missing the point quite spectacularly. Listen to almost any of the interviews they have given. They are blaming Labour for having no police on the street, no doctors or nurses in their hospitals, no magistrates court etc. and have decided to transfer their vote to the very party responsible for all of their ills.
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Someone is certainly missing the point Stan. You and the Labour Party don't seem to see what's going on in front of you. Perhaps if you call these people thick some more they'll start voting how you think they should.
 
siggyboy said:
So the Labour left are now defecting to the Greens. It's fine taking the moral high ground etc etc, but until the Tories are out of power it's just a wasted vote. Electoral reform can then follow and your vote will be worth something. I can envisage seats now with the Labour and Green vote split lets the Tory in.
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I’m suprised electoral reform wasn’t bought in whilst Labour were in power if it’s so desperately needed , of course you were winning then . Also suprised you weren’t furious over UKIP having over 4 million votes yet only a solitary MP . Your looking for excuses rather than accepting that if you have a decent leader with good policies eventually you will win elections . What Labour are selling now people are not buying , that’s the issue .
 
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SlowDownDerek said:
Someone is certainly missing the point Stan. You and the Labour Party don't seem to see what's going on in front of you. Perhaps if you call these people thick some more they'll start voting how you think they should.
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When did I call them thick and please don't lump me in with this Labour Party.
 
fritter said:
No talk of policies or any vision at all. Starmer seemed to think that not being Corbyn was enough. It wasn’t and it isn’t. Many polls showed that voters liked many of the policies under Corbyn’s Labour, but wouldn’t vote for them once they realised they were Labour policies. Maybe keep those policies rather than fly flags and spout platitudes.

1. End poverty and deprivation, no place for either in 2021.
2. End homelessness and ensure people have the opportunity to live somewhere affordable with some security of tenure.
3. Ensure that young people have jobs/ occupations that are rewarding, not just financially. They must be able to contribute. A future without hope is building up trouble.
4. A health initiative that looks long term at the issue, a 20 year plan. Education to include horticulture, composting, growing, nutrition, diet, fitness and so on. All schools to grow plants, fruit, vegetables.
5. Have tax levels that are fair, proportionate and property collected.
6. A long term strategy and effective plan to tackle the racism, misogyny and hostility. This would include looking at why so many men are so violent, aggressive and abusive.
7. Encourage and support local and independent businesses and initiatives.
8. End the gravy train that thrives in Westminster, move Parliament to a new building, maybe in the midlands, that is fit for purpose and not like an old fashioned gentleman’s club. End the outmoded nonsense that thrives in the name of tradition. The fact that there is a £30,000 a year budget to redecorate/ furnish 10 Downing Street is a sign of the world that government exists in.
9. Bring back proper terraces at football. ;)
10. An integrated, affordable and functioning national public transport system.
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I'd vote for you
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Someone is certainly missing the point Stan. You and the Labour Party don't seem to see what's going on in front of you. Perhaps if you call these people thick some more they'll start voting how you think they should.
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So who did vote for austerity and privatisation of the police and prison services and NHS ?

The conservative and unionist party are strong on avoiding individual and collective responsibility and strong on blaming the scapegoats.

As long as enough of the people who vote are fooled enough of the time there is no reason for them to change tactics.
 
JIMNNINA said:
So who did vote for austerity and privatisation of the police and prison services and NHS ?

The conservative and unionist party are strong on avoiding individual and collective responsibility and strong on blaming the scapegoats.

As long as enough of the people who vote are fooled enough of the time there is no reason for them to change tactics.
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Did you vote for an illegal war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents . I know I didn’t.
Get back to me after the Conservative and unionist party have done something as criminal as that .
 
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JIMNNINA said:
So who did vote for austerity and privatisation of the police and prison services and NHS ?

The conservative and unionist party are strong on avoiding individual and collective responsibility and strong on blaming the scapegoats.

As long as enough of the people who vote are fooled enough of the time there is no reason for them to change tactics.
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I don't understand why you keep asking who voted for austerity. Surely it was a tory pledge to reduce the deficit following the recession in 2008 so it was people who voted for them in the subsequent general elections.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
These people have voted Labour for generations and have watched their towns go down the shitter. The tories started paying lip service to their problems when these seats became obtainable. Lip service is more than they've had for decades so you could say voting Labour would be astonishing. I doubt many think things will change much by voting tories in but then again the know nothing will change if they continue to vote Labour.

Plus they are probably sick of being told how thick they are by southern Labour voters.
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The morning after the Brexit result at work , one such southern champagne socialist said “ I suppose those stupid bastards in Sunderland have as much right to vote as I do “
Summed up that attitude all too well ...
 
wallmth said:
Did you vote for an illegal war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents . I know I didn’t.
Get back to me after the Conservative and unionist party have done something as criminal as that .
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Just !5 Conservative MPs voted against the Iraq war as against the 83 Labour MPs who voted against their own government. Did IDS save Blair's premiership?
The 2005 result makes for interesting reading given the current position. In the General Election that year Labour got 35.3% of the vote - a drop of 5.4% from 2001. What would the vote share have been if there more than just the 6 SNP members? I don't have the precise figure but the Labour share of the vote would be pretty close to the 2019 Labour vote if you subtracted the 3%-4% figure that the SNP got in 2019.
Our rather undemocratic election system meant that in 2005 the Conservative Party - with 32.3% of the vote - had 158 fewer MPs than Labour. Anyone for some system of proportional representation?
 
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