billythekid
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This “deal “ isn’t really a compromise though is it .
Compromise on ‘words’, that might let MP’s ‘change their minds’, without anyone actually backing down.
This “deal “ isn’t really a compromise though is it .
This “deal “ isn’t really a compromise though is it .
It's not Remain, but it's not Brexity enough for Brexiteers. But then the referendum was tight, so it would seem to reflect that fact. It keeps us close to the EU, which simple geography suggests was always likely, without actually being in it and dedicated to ever closer union. It means we have to accept various alignments and regulations, that yes we don't get to help draft, but even on WTO rules we'd still have to do similar. We have to pay our dues which is fair enough really. But it gives everyone some clarity for the coming years, that no major shock will occur to any of trade, legalities and movement. The pound has rallied to a 2 year high overnight at the markets think it might just be workable and would provide stability whilst we continue to exit.
I think it's as good a compromise as we're gonna get. The other compromise route of EEA status is long since off the table because too many Remainers and Brexiteers kiboshed that early on for their own agendas. And if it's a 3 way choice between Remain, 'No deal Leave', or 'This Deal Leave', I would personally urge MPs to go for this deal.
What are the other options? No-Deal? Or Extending A50 to who-knows what end? Election, referendum, perhaps restarting the whole negotiation process again from scratch? Or perhaps throwing our hands up and saying it's all too hard and let's not bother after all? I think I've that's all the other possibilities covered. And it's a gosh no to all of the above from me.
This “deal “ isn’t really a compromise though is it .
The unfortunate thing for no deal brexiteers, no matter what they say, is that there was no concensus among the leave campaign that leave meant exiting the single market. Ask Dan Hannan, who is one of the key players on the leave side and was instrumental in bring about and campaigning on the referendum (this is clarified in a book you recommend on here btw).
There is a significant proportion of leave voters that advocated, and still advocate, Norway style EEA membership. Certainly enough to mean that no-deal brexit is a minority opinion.
Compromise is the only viable option.
Leaving the single market was written into the governement flyer delivered to every household and on the manifestos of both Con and Lab .
BBC
Attorney General Geoffrey Cox says that new provisions "reduce the risk" of the UK being "indefinitely and involuntarily" held in the Irish backstop.
But he says "the legal risk remains unchanged", saying the UK would have no legal means of exiting without EU agreement.
The government's remain flyer? I don't think using the opposing campaign argument works. You'd be just as well arguing that people voted for an emergency budget.
The general election argument is fair enough - but May would argue this is leaving the single market and it would be for future voters to decide if she's right.
That paragraph is key.Full text of Cox conclusion, gives a bit more than the BBC one liner..
19. However, the legal risk remains unchanged that if through no such demonstrable failure of either party, but simply because of intractable differences, that situation does arise, the United Kingdom would have, at least while the fundamental circumstances remained the same, no internationally lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement.
Make of that what you will.
It all comes down to politics now and who has most to win or lose by supporting or defeating the agreement.
It was official governement literature not slogans on sides of buses .
Not sure if that's going to be enough assurance to get the deal over the line in Parliament then, as it's a big swing required from the last vote. Christ knows where we go from there. The vote is tonight isn't it? Just a few hours for MPs to weigh it all up.
basically there is provision for the UK to go to arbitration if the EU acts in bad faith (however that is defined) to stop a deal.
Personally don't think it will be enough but there will be a lot of arm twisting going on right now
I think you are right SDD.Admittedly I'm no legal expert but I can't understand why the UK can't just leave negotiations and accuse the EU of acting in bad faith. Surely they've kicked up enough fuss already such that any agreement clearly would require a genuine effort from both parties to reach a future relationship. If this doesn't happen they could presumably walk away.
It was part of the remain campaign and certainly doesn't add up to mandated brexit policy. There's too many people on both sides trying to define what people voted for after the event. The truth is that there was no concensus on either side and clearly there are plenty on the leave side who didn't advocate leaving the SM.
That paragraph is key.