Shoddy and Tired

dragonm8 said:
Rodgers has Eddie in his pocket tactically.

The whole performance was absolute tripe. Fraser, Wilson, King, Brooks, Daniels, Clyne all off their games horribly.

Gosling And Lerma did ok in the middle given the set up.

Begovic really flaps around a lot and gives the back four no confidence whatsoever.

Did you notice that Leicester had the clear tactic to knock it round at the back, use schmeicel as an outlet and draw our front two towards their keeper to open up the lines between our attack and midfield.

It’s a simple tactic that sapped our strikers energy, and all schmeicel had to do was lob the ball over our advanced forwards and drop it into midfield where a blue shirt picked it up over and over again. Rinse repeat.

I dont think any top clubs would touch Howe to be honest, he’s great for this club but gets out smarted by top managers week in week out.

Leicester were pretty rubbish but our boys made them look half decent.
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We don't seem to see the media articles anymore of EH being the next savior of the national team or a top six team ? Have we become too predictable and are Eddies team tactics lacking in imagination ?
 
redharry said:
To me the injuries have been our biggest issue this season. How many weeks running have we been able to play the same back 4 or central midfield.
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With a fit and consistent 11 more regularly, this side could be comfortably top half. The PL really seems to hurt us with injuries. This season its been a constant drip of small injuries to just about everyone, as opposed to a handful of serious season long issues as in previous seasons.
 
tedisking said:
Well Rob, the game I watched we could easily lost by 4 goals, we were outplayed by a mid table side, and I've been to most of the away games and we at times have been woeful. .....but all about opinions I spose
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Don't disagree about yesterday. Or games like Cardiff and Wolves.
 
northstandmark said:
With a fit and consistent 11 more regularly, this side could be comfortably top half. The PL really seems to hurt us with injuries. This season its been a constant drip of small injuries to just about everyone, as opposed to a handful of serious season long issues as in previous seasons.
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We have had the lengthy injuries as well. Francis and Cook.
 
tedisking said:
Well Rob, the game I watched we could easily lost by 4 goals, we were outplayed by a mid table side, and I've been to most of the away games and we at times have been woeful. .....but all about opinions I spose
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Leicester are not a mid-table side, generally speaking. Their squad is top seven quality and I suspect that is where they will finish, with the new manager in place.
 
Top seven quality??

What does that even mean??

Ir means that they are one of a few clubs who have delusions of grandeur and think they should be the perpetual winners of the Everton cup. This group includes Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Newcastle, Everton (obviously), and recently Wolves making noises about it. All suffering from ridiculous levels of entitlement. Burnley won it last year, it rotates around and all of them are as close to relegation as they are to cracking the top six. Between 7th and 18th they are all mid-table almost every year

Those clubs above are exactly the same as Leeds, Forest, Wednesday, Villa et al. All thinking they're big clubs and that they deserve extra points at the end of season for history and ground capacity
 
northstandmark said:
With a fit and consistent 11 more regularly, this side could be comfortably top half. The PL really seems to hurt us with injuries. This season its been a constant drip of small injuries to just about everyone, as opposed to a handful of serious season long issues as in previous seasons.
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But every side gets injuries. To me it’s less about the injuries and more about players rarely playing to their own potential in significant numbers. Wilson, king, Ibe, gosling, Clyne, Brooks you just don’t know what level of performance you will get from these guys week to week. Our only consistent players this year in my opinion have been Ake, Cook, Fraser and Lerma. They have the odd off day but are 90% on it. The others.... it’s a lottery. When they all turn up we have a great day but it’s so few and far between.

I’m not interested in results, the undoubted strength of the opposition...I just want our players to play to their potential and give the highest effort. Do that and I accept a 0-3 at Spurs quite happily. Not trying v Cardiff and Leicester and playing a formation that doesn’t work for 90 minutes and making substitutions that make it even less likely to get hold of the ball is just rank amateur.

We need to stop talking about learning from each defeat. Anyone with half a football brain can see what the issue is. That lesson should be learnt and a five man midfield be in place.
 
cockbeard said:
Top seven quality??

What does that even mean??

Ir means that they are one of a few clubs who have delusions of grandeur and think they should be the perpetual winners of the Everton cup. This group includes Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Newcastle, Everton (obviously), and recently Wolves making noises about it. All suffering from ridiculous levels of entitlement. Burnley won it last year, it rotates around and all of them are as close to relegation as they are to cracking the top six. Between 7th and 18th they are all mid-table almost every year

Those clubs above are exactly the same as Leeds, Forest, Wednesday, Villa et al. All thinking they're big clubs and that they deserve extra points at the end of season for history and ground capacity
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I'll type it slower so you can understand shall I?

Looking at the Leicester team yesterday and you will see quality throughout, its a much better squad than we have. Better than every other club you listed above too [ maybe Everton could match it but for the talent they have, they are underachieving ] So I would say that Leicester have the best team outside the big six. There you go.
 
I just get so fed up when we get a bad result or performance and all of a sudden you see the usual suspects screaming about things again. The transfer policy brigade seems to be growing for one thing [ despite the fact we have signed some very good players this season alone ].

My thought is...with a full squad, we can play as well as any team aiming for seventh. With injuries to certain areas, we can also look like a bottom six level team. Pretty much the same as about ten other clubs. Yes, it can be hugely annoying to get a performance like yesterday but fourteen other teams have the same kind of days too. If our players could be brilliant every week, they wouldn't be at AFCB. I also feel that ending outside the top ten will be a let down, with the squad we have available, so I am no happy clapper.

But we do still have a group of people here who seem just too keen and pleased to jump down throats and over exaggerate things as soon as they have the chance and that is a shame.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Ok. But he could have just promoted Brian Mcclair or one of the backroom staff. I suspect if JT left to manage someone (unlikely I know) then Purches would step up.

Ferguson went and got someone very different so he could learn something and then credited that person with his sides improvement. That is leadership of the highest level. I think we need some very different input so we can learn how to successfully play a system that is not 4-4-2 and also not be in the bottom three conceding of goals year after year. We all agree Eddie shouldn’t go so therefore it’s his own team he needs to look at.

I don’t understand why this is in anyway controversial.
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It's not controversial at all Neil...you make a valid point regarding Eddie perhaps needing a fresh perspective...however your initial argument stating Ferguson constantly brought in a new right hand man in order to understand new trends is clearly not true....if Brian Kidd hadn't left to manage Blackburn Fergie wouldn't have hired McClaren....if McClaren hadn't left to manage Boro there would have been no 'head hunting' of Carlos Queroz .......this is not the first time you've put this argument forward Neil....at what point are going to concede that it's nonsense?
 
Oh I understand, I just found the term top seven quality amusing. Being as in the last decade I think there's only been three seasons where the top six wasn't the big six (I could be corrected there) yet I think seventh has been a different club every year (maybe Everton have it twice, hence it being called the Everton cup)

So Leicester are the best club outside the top six, that's fair enough as an opinion. They might not be come the end of the season and they likely won't be next season either. This is the first time they've beaten us in eight attempts so maybe we should be that club. Consistency is key and not one of the mid-table teams has any, getting relegated in March indicates that Huddersfield have been pretty consistent, perhaps not in the way anyone wants mind.
 
davygravy said:
I just get so fed up when we get a bad result or performance and all of a sudden you see the usual suspects screaming about things again. The transfer policy brigade seems to be growing for one thing [ despite the fact we have signed some very good players this season alone ].

My thought is...with a full squad, we can play as well as any team aiming for seventh. With injuries to certain areas, we can also look like a bottom six level team. Pretty much the same as about ten other clubs. Yes, it can be hugely annoying to get a performance like yesterday but fourteen other teams have the same kind of days too. If our players could be brilliant every week, they wouldn't be at AFCB. I also feel that ending outside the top ten will be a let down, with the squad we have available, so I am no happy clapper.

But we do still have a group of people here who seem just too keen and pleased to jump down throats and over exaggerate things as soon as they have the chance and that is a shame.
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davygravy said:
I'll type it slower so you can understand shall I?

Looking at the Leicester team yesterday and you will see quality throughout, its a much better squad than we have. Better than every other club you listed above too [ maybe Everton could match it but for the talent they have, they are underachieving ] So I would say that Leicester have the best team outside the big six. There you go.
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Don't let you self get so worked up....just because people don't agree with you,
as I said to Rob,it's all about opinions......let's agree to disagree
 
Topfarrier said:
It's not controversial at all Neil...you make a valid point regarding Eddie perhaps needing a fresh perspective...however your initial argument stating Ferguson constantly brought in a new right hand man in order to understand new trends is clearly not true....if Brian Kidd hadn't left to manage Blackburn Fergie wouldn't have hired McClaren....if McClaren hadn't left to manage Boro there would have been no 'head hunting' of Carlos Queroz .......this is not the first time you've put this argument forward Neil....at what point are going to concede that it's nonsense?
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You keep missing my point. It didn’t matter how it came about. He brought in people like Rene Meulensteen, Steve Mcclaren and Carlos Queiroz none of whom had any connection with him or the club because he recognised that they would bring different skills and he would learn from them. He didn’t insist on only working with people who he had played with at Rangers. Yes, some but by no means all, of them left to become managers but I’m more interested in the background and skill sets than why they had to be employed.
 
Neil Dawson said:
You keep missing my point. It didn’t matter how it came about. He brought in people like Rene Meulensteen, Steve Mcclaren and Carlos Queiroz none of whom had any connection with him or the club because he recognised that they would bring different skills and he would learn from them. He didn’t insist on only working with people who he had played with at Rangers. Yes, some but by no means all, of them left to become managers but I’m more interested in the background and skill sets than why they had to be employed.
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Which other clubs have done this Neil?
 
davygravy said:
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My thought is...with a full squad, we can play as well as any team aiming for seventh. With injuries to certain areas, we can also look like a bottom six level team. Pretty much the same as about ten other clubs. .
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My worry is that we don’t seem to have developed away from home to the B6

Look at Watford yesterday, Wolves a couple of times, Leicester more than once. Apart from Chelsea, when have we dominated and deserved to win against the big teams away??
 
And yet, for all that above, we are a missed King penalty (Wolves), some shoddy end-game management (Newcastle) and showing up yesterday from being in seventh position!

There is a fine line between explanations and excuses. I could handle the explanation of injuries combined with a really difficult schedule. But these teams - Newcastle, Wolves, Leicester - should be the measuring stick for us .... and we are coming up way short. I see very little acceptable explanation for a missed penalty, not knowing how to finish off the last 60 seconds of a match when you possess the ball, or missing a sitter like Callum did yesterday. These are mental errors. Gotta do better than that. Still six games to prove that we can fix this.
 
Neil Dawson said:
You keep missing my point. It didn’t matter how it came about. He brought in people like Rene Meulensteen, Steve Mcclaren and Carlos Queiroz none of whom had any connection with him or the club because he recognised that they would bring different skills and he would learn from them. He didn’t insist on only working with people who he had played with at Rangers. Yes, some but by no means all, of them left to become managers but I’m more interested in the background and skill sets than why they had to be employed.
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Neil Dawson said:
I didn’t mean replace JT. I meant leave him as a first team coach but go get a number 2 who has experience of different formations and plans to play between the lines.

Alex Ferguson stayed at the top by adapting constantly bringing in new right hand men constantly who understood new trends.

Maybe he should have ‘got a grip’ and kept the same bloke for twenty years?
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You see i'm not missing the point Neil...he'd have been quite happy to have 'kept the same bloke for twenty years' .....it wasn't his 'need to constantly understand new trends' that made him bring in those coaches ....it was simply a necessity brought about by the previous coach leaving.
When you talk about the skill set of the number two's he employed i take it you mean McClaren and Queiroz and to a lesser extent Meulensteen who wasn't actually a no 2 ....all three of them are very good coaches tbf..piss poor managers as it turned out but good coaches nonetheless....the rest of Ferguson's deputies were either people he played with or were promoted from the ranks......:eek:
 
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