VAR

This game should be 0-0. The second call was actually fairly clear cut, he controlled the ball with his hand. But we’ve already seen that VAR will do nothing about fouls.
 
whatever the Sky pundits say (including the utterly execrable Carragher) VAR is a cancer that’s starting to kill the game - it needs to be excised (or exorcised) for good.
 
Waiting to see the build up to the goal can only guess after the player was chopped down the game continued and Rashford scored.

Just seen it, that should be no goal and free kick to Liverpool.

So whoever reviewed the VAR made a bad error.
 
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I know it was technically a handball by Mane but....I always preferred it when it had to be on purpose and not accidental. He didn't move his arm to the ball at all, totally accidental.
I think Atkinson made soft calls for fouls before the one on Dorigi....so was very surprised he missed it. Obviously VAR just want to back up their mates on the pitch.
 
Richard Keys just said that somebody overruled Martin Atkinson in an FA Cup match rescinding a red card against Manchester United and even though it was the right decision, went ballistic in a Referee's meeting saying don't ever overrule his decisions on a football pitch...

I'm sick of him and Andy Gray moaning about it constantly but I thought that was quite interesting. Either way it wouldn't have been overruled, we haven't seen any subjective decisions changed at all.
 
It’s a terrible law change, made due to the implementation of VAR. Keeps the binary types happy.

I know you're desperate to blame VAR, but it's got nothing to do with VAR. The PL are the only league that interpret the law this way, no other league is.
 
I know you're desperate to blame VAR, but it's got nothing to do with VAR. The PL are the only league that interpret the law this way, no other league is.


I know you’re desperate to defend VAR but we had the exact same interpretation of the law with goals disallowed via the use of VAR in the women’s World Cup.

It was a shambles.
 
I was all for VAR at first but then thought it was only any good for offside but soon realised it's not even any good for that. There's just been so many stupid decisions from handballs that are obviously not deliberate and in some cases totally unavoidable to offsides that are dubious and yet idiotically precise. And to top it all they don't even reverse obvious mistakes, plus having to wait a couple of minutes whilst some idiot decides that, yes he did chop him down in the penalty box but the ref didn't see it so I won't either. Hate it now.
 
Watching the rugby TMO on the same day as VAR was hugely insightful.

TMO has objective protocols, is clearly displayed on the screen in the stadium, has immediate access to the right and necessary technology, conveys the entire conversation openly and - crucially - enables the referee to ask for help to arrive at the correct decision, including allowing him to see it again from a variety of angles if necessary. No climbdown, simply the best referees in the world seeking help to arrive at an answer and being empowered to do so.

VAR has none of the above, is secretive and subjective with the absurd "clear and obvious" get out. So today... "was Origi fouled?" and at St Mary's "was Josh King fouled?" would have been yes, since it is quite clear the referee may have been unsighted. So we're stuck with the patently ludicrous "I can see why he may not have given that" and some underling is stuck in a bunker asking himself if he's got the guts to overule refereeing "deity".

I've always disagreed with VAR due to the myriad of minor calls and marginal decisions that are part and parcel of the fabric of the game and the awful ruination of its flow and spontaneity but only the football authorities in their sheer complacency and myopic insularity could have come up with the truly abysmal half-baked camel that we've been landed with.
 
I know you’re desperate to defend VAR but we had the exact same interpretation of the law with goals disallowed via the use of VAR in the women’s World Cup.

It was a shambles.

I'm not defending it, I'm just pointing out that you are incapable of separating laws of the game and VAR from each other. The law is crap but it is what it is.

In fact the one yesterday would have been ruled out with the old law as he gained an advantage from the handball, stopping it going through to De Gea for an easy catch.
 

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