Lewis Cook

Sweetcherrity said:
Eddie was obviously too prescriptive in players positioning and this knocked individual creativity - the freedom that JT is giving the players means that they all have their original flair and individuality restored. Long may it continue because they are obviously enjoying playing and the results reflect it too.
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I always suspected that there might be an element of that with Ed tbh. I'd call it "over coaching". Drumming something into the players to the point that it is just about ALL they think about. Every other aspect of their game then gets put on the back burner, they are solely focused on making sure they do the things they have been told to do. It's a fine line. As a coach you obviously want a certain level of discipline from your players but you don't want to stifle the natural attributes they can bring to the game either.
 
Sweetcherrity said:
Eddie was obviously too prescriptive in players positioning and this knocked individual creativity - the freedom that JT is giving the players means that they all have their original flair and individuality restored. Long may it continue because they are obviously enjoying playing and the results reflect it too.
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The number of long range goals the team is scoring is interesting, are goalkeepers worse in the Championship and therefore policy has changed or would it have been changed regardless?
 
Redpost said:
The number of long range goals the team is scoring is interesting, are goalkeepers worse in the Championship and therefore policy has changed or would it have been changed regardless?
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Some of us have been crying for more long-range shooting for years.
Teams always knew we could only score by passing it into the net, so they'd clog the box and we'd pass sideways until we'd lose the ball. It was absolutely infuriating.
My guess is JT realized this and modified the approach accordingly.
 
Redpost said:
The number of long range goals the team is scoring is interesting, are goalkeepers worse in the Championship and therefore policy has changed or would it have been changed regardless?
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I was thinking this the other day, it’s bizarre. The last time we were in the championship we would bang in long range goals for fun as well. Arter in particular scored a few screamers, but then he seemed to completely lose his ability to shoot in the Prem, and it wasn’t to do with quality of goal keeping because most of his shots would end up in the car park. Surely a ball is a ball and a goal a goal whatever the level you are playing at?
 
could be that JT picked up on the intensity that previously stifled the players and has just added some 'freedom' into the players to use their skills more frequently and make use of taking a shot, or gambling a tad more when attacking?

Whatever it is seems to have had the desired effect...we know that Lerma,L Cook and even Gosling can hit a ball well and that has played dividends so far this season. We still do often pass the ball along the back too much for my liking and on a few ocassions we have lost the ball in our own half because of it, although when it works it looks classy and effective!
 
Waz afcb said:
I was thinking this the other day, it’s bizarre. The last time we were in the championship we would bang in long range goals for fun as well. Arter in particular scored a few screamers, but then he seemed to completely lose his ability to shoot in the Prem, and it wasn’t to do with quality of goal keeping because most of his shots would end up in the car park. Surely a ball is a ball and a goal a goal whatever the level you are playing at?
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would say that the time that you get in The PL to actually shoot is less tann we may get lower down the leagues...also would think that it was a dictate from the manager not to lose the ball rather than risk a potshot...
 
Having spent the last couple of years wondering what the fuss was about Lewis I have to say he is looking the real deal this last month or two. Not sure if that's the drop in level or he's got his confidence back, but vital if we are to go back up to keep him fit
 
Sweetcherrity said:
Eddie was obviously too prescriptive in players positioning and this knocked individual creativity - the freedom that JT is giving the players means that they all have their original flair and individuality restored. Long may it continue because they are obviously enjoying playing and the results reflect it too.
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Yeah it could be that......or it could just be the fact that he''s playing in a lower league ...against inferior opposition....where he gets more time on the ball and every mistake he makes isn''t punished.
 
So many angles to view all this from..and we shouldn't try to compare Eddie and JT too much...different circumstances and all that.
Eddie remains a Cherry Icon..set in stone for obvious reasons..and JT has his deserved chance to make his own further mark on our history.
Lewis Cook is part of a unique overlap...and he can make his mark too...with the years on his side...its all very exciting and interesting!
 
Brian Hutchings said:
So many angles to view all this from..and we shouldn't try to compare Eddie and JT too much...different circumstances and all that.
Eddie remains a Cherry Icon..set in stone for obvious reasons..and JT has his deserved chance to make his own further mark on our history.
Lewis Cook is part of a unique overlap...and he can make his mark too...with the years on his side...its all very exciting and interesting!
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I've always thought that when EH was part of the backroom he idenntified areas that could improve the team and stop those practises that didn't work.A sort of "If I were in charge I would change that".

Maybe JT ,having been 'back up for 10 years 'has gradually identified areas that he thought would improve overall performance and changed tactics to those that he believes would make a difference to the team.
 
Topfarrier said:
Yeah it could be that......or it could just be the fact that he''s playing in a lower league ...against inferior opposition....where he gets more time on the ball and every mistake he makes isn''t punished.
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Nope, I'll go with my theory, ta. In the premier league you have a ton of time on the ball (as Lerma and others soon realised when we dropped a league). The Championship is far more physical and aggressive; every time you have the ball three or four players plough into you. I don't think the Championship players are inferior, it's just a different type of game and Lewis Cook and others have played in it before. You can't play 'tippy tappy' football whilst the opposition watch you (like the premier league) it's get stuck in and more battling.
 
Sweetcherrity said:
Nope, I'll go with my theory, ta. In the premier league you have a ton of time on the ball (as Lerma and others soon realised when we dropped a league). The Championship is far more physical and aggressive; every time you have the ball three or four players plough into you. I don't think the Championship players are inferior, it's just a different type of game and Lewis Cook and others have played in it before. You can't play 'tippy tappy' football whilst the opposition watch you (like the premier league) it's get stuck in and more battling.
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Nope, think you're wrong on a couple of fronts here. The time we had on the ball would generally be in our own third (unless you're against one of the high press clubs, there's not a team in this league that will press as well as a Liverpool, for example, exaggerating for effect) but the time in the final third is much, much less than we're enjoying this season. One of the reasons for the sharp increase in long range goals. The other being that were actually shooting from range... Also got to disagree with your point about players not being inferior at this level. The quality in the league is some way below that of the premier league, having a squad of experienced premier league players is a big reason behind our good start. I'm not saying for one second that the championship is low on quality, there are some fine players and it's an absolutely superb league to follow because of its competitiveness and how open it is.
 
Sweetcherrity said:
Nope, I'll go with my theory, ta. In the premier league you have a ton of time on the ball (as Lerma and others soon realised when we dropped a league). The Championship is far more physical and aggressive; every time you have the ball three or four players plough into you. I don't think the Championship players are inferior, it's just a different type of game and Lewis Cook and others have played in it before. You can't play 'tippy tappy' football whilst the opposition watch you (like the premier league) it's get stuck in and more battling.
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If Championship players aren't inferior why aren't they playing in a league that pays more?

"Tippy tappy" football is tolerated by many of the weaker EPL sides because they trust their positioning and containment. It's also the reason why shooting from distance is near impossible. It is also a consistent tactic they deploy against weaker and stronger teams as their only goal is survival.
It's tolerated by stronger teams to draw you out and open up some space.

Other than the huge gulf in quality(of players not entertainment) between the league's the main difference is that the Championship is far more competitive which is why you see more risky behaviour.
 
Waz afcb said:
I was thinking this the other day, it’s bizarre. The last time we were in the championship we would bang in long range goals for fun as well. Arter in particular scored a few screamers, but then he seemed to completely lose his ability to shoot in the Prem, and it wasn’t to do with quality of goal keeping because most of his shots would end up in the car park. Surely a ball is a ball and a goal a goal whatever the level you are playing at?
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Been saying it for years. The Mitre ball in the football league is a far better ball than the Nike they use in the Premier League. It’s more predictable in what it does in the air. You want to bend it, hook your foot round it. You want it to go straight...kick it straight.

The Nike ball, you hit through it and you can make it move from left to right, put some swaz on it etc.

It makes longer range shots more predictable and more often than not it doesn’t make goalkeepers look silly (Palace ‘keeper against Kane for example).
 
drd said:
Having spent the last couple of years wondering what the fuss was about Lewis I have to say he is looking the real deal this last month or two. Not sure if that's the drop in level or he's got his confidence back, but vital if we are to go back up to keep him fit
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I think Steve Cook's marauding attack last time out tells you everything you need to know about this level and how it makes everyone look good.

The unknown is how many will have improved enough to play a part when we go up. Lewis looks like he's on a positive path, to regain the form and relative ability that made him one of the best at U20, and for a short period before his injury. What we need though are some PL opponents in the cup to prove it.
 
Sweetcherrity said:
Nope, I'll go with my theory, ta. In the premier league you have a ton of time on the ball (as Lerma and others soon realised when we dropped a league). The Championship is far more physical and aggressive; every time you have the ball three or four players plough into you. I don't think the Championship players are inferior, it's just a different type of game and Lewis Cook and others have played in it before. You can't play 'tippy tappy' football whilst the opposition watch you (like the premier league) it's get stuck in and more battling.
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So Championship players are not inferior to PL players!.....thats incredible....i must say i like your theory more than mine......looking forward to our Premier League title challenge next season already!!
 
Garbo said:
would say that the time that you get in The PL to actually shoot is less tann we may get lower down the leagues...also would think that it was a dictate from the manager not to lose the ball rather than risk a potshot...
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Is it though? I don’t feel like we actually attempted less long range shots in the Prem tbh.
 
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