GaryRB
UTC Legend
I suspect the very public naming and prosecution of offenders was the biggest factor, thanks to all seaters and cctv. I don't think its all about society moving on, plenty would still go for it if they knew they wouldn't be nicked
F uck the Nazis
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i think you are spot on. We have racist fans, I’m convinced by that. That might feel uncomfortable for some but fans are a representative section of society so deny it is daft. Lots of people have said that can’t be right, because they haven’t heard it but just because it’s been controlled in the stadium it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Players the knee is absolutely nothing do with a political movement. That has been explained so many times. Those who continue to believe it is might be doing so for their own convenience.
The fact so many black players get abuse after a poor performance, not solely based on their play, but also their skin colour, proves as a society we still have a problem.
There is an uncomfortable truth in that many of us have never experienced racial discrimination in our lives, because we are white. I suspect none of us have had our cv binned for a job application because our name sounds African, or our photo shows the colour of our skin? My daughter will go into shops with white mates without issue yet without fail when she goes in with black friends they are followed around the store. In a club queue a white girl shouted at my daughters mate to “f off slave”, have a guess who was ejected?
In recent times those with a less tolerant outlook on life fave been emboldene. Personally, I don’t believe that is for the better.
Garbo
UTC Legend
...said this before but I don't even see a difference in race when I am watching games, they are all just players to me!
If players want to take the knee they fair enough, if they don't then that is fair too..
any sort of booing at games is stupid and futile IMO..
Support your team and don't boo them whatever
We can all have opinions about crimes that are committed in the world and people getting killed so wastefully...let's face it there will always be those that are persecuted no matter what race they are....because it is in the human pysche to cause harm and abuse others.... it is how we are educated or conditioned to control ourseleves that matters....
If players want to take the knee they fair enough, if they don't then that is fair too..
any sort of booing at games is stupid and futile IMO..
Support your team and don't boo them whatever
We can all have opinions about crimes that are committed in the world and people getting killed so wastefully...let's face it there will always be those that are persecuted no matter what race they are....because it is in the human pysche to cause harm and abuse others.... it is how we are educated or conditioned to control ourseleves that matters....
wingsnwheels
Star Player
We are all human beings, we all deserve the same chance to prosper and live happy lives. I get the impression that a few non black people mistakenly think that BLM means only that and other lives are worth less. Totally wrong, but that's folk for you.
NWCherries98
Fans' Favourite
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
There’s nothing in here about Marxism. If it was such a core tenet of the organisation you think it would be mentioned at least once. As far as I’m aware, a couple of the founders have self identified as “Marxists”. That doesn’t mean the whole organisation is “Marxist”.
Plus, the squad have quite literally spelled it out that the only reason they kneel is for the anti racism message. That’s all there is to it. It’s not like BLM has a trademark on kneeling, the footballing world for the most has adopted that as a purely anti racist gesture.
There’s nothing in here about Marxism. If it was such a core tenet of the organisation you think it would be mentioned at least once. As far as I’m aware, a couple of the founders have self identified as “Marxists”. That doesn’t mean the whole organisation is “Marxist”.
Plus, the squad have quite literally spelled it out that the only reason they kneel is for the anti racism message. That’s all there is to it. It’s not like BLM has a trademark on kneeling, the footballing world for the most has adopted that as a purely anti racist gesture.
RobTrent
UTC Legend
At least you were first to the virtue signalling phrase. Well done but you don’t have a clue what other people are doing.
Rodmorg
First Team
No I don't. Well done. In a world where image is now so important, only some celebrities make the proper effort to eradicate racism because they in fact care. Others only hop on the bandwagon to not be ostracised.
tedisking
Fans' Favourite
Are you sure they're not c##ts ?
New Forest Cherry
Star Player
we may well do, I've no idea, I've never seen any evidence in over 40 years of support, certainly none in the last 10
clearly you do though - care to divulge as you're convinced of it?
Lord Snooty
Fans' Favourite
To be fair to the players they are simply taking the knee to show their support for the fight against racism.
Surely there’s nothing too wrong with this is there?
Also I jolly well don’t think Harry Kane and Phil Foden are Marxists if it’s the Marxism bit that’s getting people.
Players supporting anti racism is far more preferable than them showing us their glam mansions and sports cars in Hello magazine.
Mind you Southgate is looking a little bit like Lenin these days.
Surely there’s nothing too wrong with this is there?
Also I jolly well don’t think Harry Kane and Phil Foden are Marxists if it’s the Marxism bit that’s getting people.
Players supporting anti racism is far more preferable than them showing us their glam mansions and sports cars in Hello magazine.
Mind you Southgate is looking a little bit like Lenin these days.
ErikthViking
UTC Legend
Yes, we have racist fans. I will divulge. I expect that since you issued the challenge, more supporters might care to provide instances too.
I was witness a to a small clique of our own supporters spewing filth about Lewis Grabban outside the ground at Sunderland.
Surely, many will remember the little group who used to racially abuse Danny Thomas.
SilentWriting
Reserves
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/
"A central tenet of Marxism is the dismantling of the “nuclear family structure.” The language was removed days after a poll found support for the group dropped 12 percent this summer as some of its protests descended into looting and violence. ".
"The group, whose co-founder Patrisse Cullors has described herself and fellow co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained Marxists,” removed a page titled “What We Believe” that included its public policy positions as well as describing itself as part of the “global Black family”
So yes the BLM conveniently removed all their Marxist material which is their ultimate goal from their About Us page, to hide what they're really about.
It's not all black and white, all races and colour are speaking out and objecting to the BLM movement.
Taking the knee will always be seen as supporting the political movement no matter how it gets painted.
It's possible to be against racism and be against BLM to, as shown by many people of all colours. So time to put the bending the knee to bed and back to the already various anti-racism sentiments already established within football, so then there is no possibility of it being interpreted as a political statement in support of a Marxist organisation.
Republican is off his head if he can't see the dangers of Marxism and where it lead, it sowed the seeds for millions of deaths.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/05/karl-marx-communism-death-column/578000002/
"A central tenet of Marxism is the dismantling of the “nuclear family structure.” The language was removed days after a poll found support for the group dropped 12 percent this summer as some of its protests descended into looting and violence. ".
"The group, whose co-founder Patrisse Cullors has described herself and fellow co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained Marxists,” removed a page titled “What We Believe” that included its public policy positions as well as describing itself as part of the “global Black family”
So yes the BLM conveniently removed all their Marxist material which is their ultimate goal from their About Us page, to hide what they're really about.
It's not all black and white, all races and colour are speaking out and objecting to the BLM movement.
Taking the knee will always be seen as supporting the political movement no matter how it gets painted.
It's possible to be against racism and be against BLM to, as shown by many people of all colours. So time to put the bending the knee to bed and back to the already various anti-racism sentiments already established within football, so then there is no possibility of it being interpreted as a political statement in support of a Marxist organisation.
Republican is off his head if he can't see the dangers of Marxism and where it lead, it sowed the seeds for millions of deaths.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/05/karl-marx-communism-death-column/578000002/
TrevorMorganFanClub
Star Player
Taking a knee will always be seen as ONLY supporting BLM by people that support racism but are trying desperately to find an excuse for it.
Is it time for a post from one claiming not to be a fascist, while being rabidly against anyone that identifies as anti-fascist? I've missed those posts...
Is it time for a post from one claiming not to be a fascist, while being rabidly against anyone that identifies as anti-fascist? I've missed those posts...
tedisking
Fans' Favourite
It stands to reason there are racist Bournemouth fans......they don't all shout out racist abuse.........there are a certain percentage of racist people in this country, are you naive enough to think none of that percentage supports Bournemouth ?
Others have given you specific examples and I have certainly heard comments under that stands at half time etc, normally being difficult to identify exactly who.
However, you miss the point, if you think within our fan base and supporters, which is a cross section of society, we do not have our share with racist views then I think you are kidding yourself.
As was suggested in the post I quoted, we may not hear it much in stadia now but that is more down to being identifiable and bans if caught. Not shouting racist abuse at a ground doesn’t stop you from being one if you hold those views.
SlowDownDerek
UTC Legend
Why do you think they removed those political references? Because the vast majority of anti-racists don't support it and a minority view harms their main message. The players who kneel have clarified that they don't support it and that's not good enough for you?
Taking the knee will always be seen as supporting the political movement by who? You? How come you think you've got a better understanding of what the people involved in this protest support than the people themselves?
I don't think it's possible to be anti racism whilst booing this gesture. The reasons behind the gesture have been clearly and explicitly stated by the players. Those who want to ignore this and come up with alternative reasons that suit their opposition to it are completely disingenuous and everyone knows it. Including you.
ErikthViking
UTC Legend
Yes, just look at all those Black folks in America, indeed all over the world, protesting against Black Lives Matter. Queueing up they are to show their disgust. Or is it because some white people don't want the inherent racist nature of society to even be discussed?
Know your history. Colin Kaepernick started taking the knee after a sit down protest during the American national anthem didn't get noticed. It had nothing to do with BLM at the time. You paint it a certain way because it suits your agenda.
What are those "already various anti-racism sentiments" and how effective have they been?
As you feel strongly against taking the knee, what do you suggest to replace the gesture in order to root out racism in football?
